Census

[LeeT911]

Orginially posted by Donovan Zoi
Now let's go back to my proposal from post #32.

If we decide to require 2/3 of the census to participate, and still demand a 67% majority from there, here are the numbers based on a census of 48.

Number of total votes required for passage: 32

The smallest number of YES votes required to meet this minimum is 22 votes. A 22-10 decision would be just over 67%, while a 21-11 result would fail by the smallest of margins.

The only problem I see with this system is voter turnout. If only 31 people vote, the amendment cannot pass, even if all 31 people voted YES.

This is why I want a system with no minimum turnout requirement. If only 30 people voted, 20 YES votes should get the amendment passed, regardless of how many people there are in census.

 

[BCLG100]

does everyone realise that this census is going to decrease over the demogame? theres a chance it wont but a bigger chance it will.

 

[Chieftess]

I think this is the same mistake we made back in DG2 - assuming that the census for term 1 = the census the entire game. It should be the max number of votes during the most recent election (or 1/2 of it).

 

[Immortal]

THE CONSTITUTION:

Article I. Census, and Amending the Constitution
1. The census shall be defined as the average number
of votes cast, dropping fractions, in each of the
contested elections in the most recent general
election.

 

[KCCrusader]

Thus, the census will change after the conclusion of the Term 1 elections correct?

 

[Donovan Zoi]

How about a 21 - 10 - 1 result?

Or a 22 - 11 - 1 result?

Or 22 - 10 - 3 result?

Sorry for the delay in responding, Cyc.

I would like to see Abstain used only as a means of meeting the required census, but it should not count against the 67% majority. Otherwise it may as well be a NO vote.

So, all three of your examples would pass using the [2/3s of 2/3s] method. However, in the [YES votes = 1/2 the Census] proposal, all three of these measures would fail.(Census of 48; YES votes must equal 24).

 

[Civman2004]

IRL, abstain is usually effectively a no vote

 

[gert-janl]

It's madness that a 31-1-1 vote defeats an article. Drop the census not to the maximum turnout, nor to the average turnout, just base it on the turnout at the ratification.

I know it's not really neat, but we have to stay realistic. In the DG a lot of people vote during elections, and you'll hear from them again at the next election. They are blocking that way the constitutional process. As we can't even find enough votes during elections, we'll never meet the quorum in the middle of a term.

DROP THE CENSUS, DROP THE CENSUS!

 

[Comnenus]

Since there are only 48 citizens in this census, but there are as many as 60 people who have voted in some of the polls, what exactly determines the census for this first round of voting? I am going to be putting up two polls tonight and would like to know for certain how many votes are required for passage. TIA

 

[Black_Hole]

It's madness that a 31-1-1 vote defeats an article. Drop the census not to the maximum turnout, nor to the average turnout, just base it on the turnout at the ratification.

I know it's not really neat, but we have to stay realistic. In the DG a lot of people vote during elections, and you'll hear from them again at the next election. They are blocking that way the constitutional process. As we can't even find enough votes during elections, we'll never meet the quorum in the middle of a term.

DROP THE CENSUS, DROP THE CENSUS!

i agree, just because a few citizens cant(for whatever reason) vote in the poll, that doesnt mean perfectly fine articles should be thrown out

 

[Black_Hole]

Sorry for the delay in responding, Cyc.

I would like to see Abstain used only as a means of meeting the required census, but it should not count against the 67% majority. Otherwise it may as well be a NO vote.

So, all three of your examples would pass using the [2/3s of 2/3s] method. However, in the [YES votes = 1/2 the Census] proposal, all three of these measures would fail.(Census of 48; YES votes must equal 24).

it is, because the way its set up, a certain amount of yes votes are required out of a certain amount of citizens... if you want to abstain its actuallly better to not vote, but that is still sorta a no vote the way it is set up