CFC Off Topic Turned Me Into a Fascist

[Cheezy the Wiz]

You don't think that taking away people's money is a limit to their influence, and that it is sometimes justified?

But you're not taking away people's money to make them more equal with others, you're doing it to make them less equal. That's the difference.

I understand the need to hold people responsible for their actions, but yes. Any coercion is anti-freedom.

ANARCHIST.

Of course. Some are justified.

It's called "the social contract". One gives up individual freedom via taxes, laws, etc. for security.

So if you agree to the Social Contract idea, then I hope you realize that your terming some freedom as "justifiably" sacrificed and others as "unjustifiably" so is totally a value judgment. You can't say you're right.

Money=Freedom after all.

Numerous philosophical schools would disagree with that statement.

 

[sonorakitch]

Ahem. Almost everybody disagrees with that, so I say there's a lot proving to be done on your part.

But I'm kind of picky as to what is considered left-wing, so fair enough. Nonetheless, surely you don't mean to say that Hitler was left-wing?

Certainly not left wing....he was some abomination of leftist and rightist tendancies mixed into a soup bowl. The best argument out there was brought up by _____, who stated that Hitler appealed to the European right wing. That I would agree with. But dig deeper, and one finds many left wing policies brought forth. True Hitler hated Communists, but he was a man of labor, and most of his domestic policies were evident of that. The rearming of Germany can't really be identified as solely a tenant of right wing philosophy, as Communists equally excelled in that. More than anything, Hitler was ultimately a dicator with bizarre policies that transcended todays definitions of political philosophy. My point is that those who call him a extreme right winger don't really know what an extreme right winger is.

~Chris

 

[Zardnaar]

Zardnaar:



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Sorry missed one. Doesn't really change alot. I'm not growing horns, or installing a back yard incinerator. Lost some friends who disagree with me alot, most of them don't care. Not getting Nazi tattoos or learning to goose step if thats what you are trying to imply.

To the above post that is an excellent post. Hitler had some policies that would drive modern right wingers nuts. Subsidised state housing for those with children, very liberal for the time animal rights laws, universal healthcare, state support for unmarried mothers.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Yeah but you are closing the door on humanity. Don't slam it on your way out.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Certainly not left wing....he was some abomination of leftist and rightist tendancies mixed into a soup bowl. The best argument out there was brought up by _____, who stated that Hitler appealed to the European right wing. That I would agree with. But dig deeper, and one finds many left wing policies brought forth. True Hitler hated Communists, but he was a man of labor, and most of his domestic policies were evident of that. The rearming of Germany can't really be identified as solely a tenant of right wing philosophy, as Communists equally excelled in that. More than anything, Hitler was ultimately a dicator with bizarre policies that transcended todays definitions of political philosophy. My point is that those who call him a extreme right winger don't really know what an extreme right winger is.

~Chris

I think he could be called centrist, as he believed in capitalism and hated communism but was for intervention (though to the benefit of the state rather than the people).

 

[Zardnaar]

Yeah but you are closing the door on humanity. Don't slam it on your way out.

Yeah and look at the great job humanity is doing. The world is doing oh so well.

 

[Dachs]

True Hitler hated Communists, but he was a man of labor, and most of his domestic policies were evident of that.

Dissolving labor unions, introducing labor conscription policies, the institution of the Arbeitsbuch, all of these are policies evident of Hitler's 'man of labor' attitude? Mah boiiiii Franz Neumann says 'the only gift Hitler gave to the masses was full employment'.

 

[Zardnaar]

Which in a country coming out of the great depression wasn't a bad thing. Wages went down, but living standards went up and the tax rate was very low. Something like the current recession I don't think could have happened in Nazi Germany as IIRC they had limits on how much you could charge for rent and the state built houses for German families with children. Hitler had some policies that would make a socialist smile. Labour unions at the time were heavily infiltrated by the Soviet Union as well.

 

[Arwon]

Taking my money away and doing with it what YOU want is authoritarian. No two ways about it. Of course, representation makes it tolerable when minimal.

Taxation and nationalization are fundamentally authoritarian, not "to some extent". Those things take power from private citizens and give it to the government. Limiting the use of my labor and capital is no different than limiting my speech.

I seem to recall being accused of drawing false equivalences by you at some stage. Hrrrm.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I think he could be called centrist, as he believed in capitalism and hated communism but was for intervention (though to the benefit of the state rather than the people).

The definitive characteristic of fascism is that it is anti-modernism.

 

[Arwon]

Nah. That's only one half of it, it was also extremely modern in other respects.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Yeah and look at the great job humanity is doing. The world is doing oh so well.

So do nothing then. Like I said, don't slam the door on your way out.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

The definitive characteristic of fascism is that it is anti-modernism.

How does that contradict my argument?

 

[Gelion]

Over the years....

Welcome to the watchlist.

You are mostly wrong than right in your assumptions, but it takes a lot more time to figure out the ways of the world. You started thinking, and for that I congratulate you... I only wish you'd think further.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

How does that contradict my argument?

Because it isn't centrist, its in a strange league of its own. For purposes of identification, we call it extreme right, but it really defies attempts at placement on the left-right scale.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

I call it center-right. Because it's just as good as any other arbitrary designation and I can sort of support it

Of course, I'm talking only about economics. In regards to social issues, they are of course extreme right.

 

[Tekee]

Welcome to the watchlist.

You are mostly wrong than right in your assumptions, but it takes a lot more time to figure out the ways of the world. You started thinking, and for that I congratulate you... I only wish you'd think further.

This is a distinguished and proud path! More thinking will only lead to a more developed arguments that will be IMPENETRABLE! Converting to facists is a great words that mean that he will now think critically about everything that was once considered "anti"... anti-fa. It is a perfect path that usually leads to a new and interesting new conclusion against the society. People just call each and everything like this Fascism. So I don't pay much attention to "facists" unless they have with them a good argument for their "fascism"
I used to make arguments for communism, like "if every country was communist it would be peaceful paradise"
This is a community, but the communists are weak and only in fascists is found a brotherhood!
This was me in year 2007.
I used to read Liberal books written by these Americans, Goldberg, Goldstein etc...
Now I more inspired by the musings and videos of Format18 and Tesak. well generally I always had questions about these Goldberg liberal books, like their explanations of the Middle East violence being caused by the America was stupid...
I no longer deal with American issues like Iraq War, economy, it is all beyond me. Instead I can only work on brotherhood amongst the Polish students at my Catholic School . They are very nicely respond to fascism and slavism. Even though I never once mention fascism, because fascism is a word given to what I believe is the most natural and unconditional love.
Many times we complain about what is wrong with anti-racism. It is very taboo.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

This is a distinguished and proud path! More thinking will only lead to a more developed arguments that will be IMPENETRABLE! Converting to facists is a great words that mean that he will now think critically about everything that was once considered "anti"... anti-fa. It is a perfect path that usually leads to a new and interesting new conclusion against the society. People just call each and everything like this Fascism. So I don't pay much attention to "facists" unless they have with them a good argument for their "fascism"
I used to make arguments for communism, like "if every country was communist it would be peaceful paradise"
This is a community, but the communists are weak and only in fascists is found a brotherhood!
This was me in year 2007.
I used to read Liberal books written by these Americans, Goldberg, Goldstein etc...
Now I more inspired by the musings and videos of Format18 and Tesak. well generally I always had questions about these Goldberg liberal books, like their explanations of the Middle East violence being caused by the America was stupid...
I no longer deal with American issues like Iraq War, economy, it is all beyond me. Instead I can only work on brotherhood amongst the Polish students at my Catholic School . They are very nicely respond to fascism and slavism. Even though I never once mention fascism, because fascism is a word given to what I believe is the most natural and unconditional love.
Many times we complain about what is wrong with anti-racism. It is very taboo.

There is nothing wrong with anti-racism and everything wrong with fascism.

 

[Tekee]

There is nothing wrong with anti-racism and everything wrong with fascism.

to me Fascism rejects all this establishment. The establishment is pushing a vision of gays that I don't want to see for instance..
At the same time it envisages an authority of this sort of thing. So it is not just rebellion against authoirty, it is fighting for establishment of a more HOLY establishment.
(insert whatever word you want to replace Holy I mean holy in the meaning that it is a just establishment)

 

[Huayna Capac357]

to me Fascism rejects all this establishment. The establishment is pushing a vision of gays that I don't want to see for instance..
At the same time it envisages an authority of this sort of thing. So it is not just rebellion against authoirty, it is fighting for establishment of a more HOLY establishment.
(insert whatever word you want to replace Holy I mean holy in the meaning that it is a just establishment)

So you like fascism because you hate gays, are a rebel wannabe, and are an insane fundamentalist?

Good luck with that.