Chat with C3B

Emp.Napoleon

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Session Start: Wed Jun 23 17:24:54 2004
Session Ident: #c3bcfc
* Now talking in #c3bcfc
<Joker> any passwords?
<EMP_CFC> no
<EMP_CFC> sorry unless you know how to set one
* Retrieving #c3bcfc modes...
<Joker> i don´t remember.... i think there is no need
<EMP_CFC> me too
<Joker> if a spy enter we kill him ;)
<EMP_CFC> it starts in simthing like 45 minets right?
<EMP_CFC> lol yep
<EMP_CFC> *something
<Joker> yeap, let´s wait for more people
<EMP_CFC> yes
<Joker> simthing is for Simcity? or the the sims?
<Joker> :P
<EMP_CFC> lol
<EMP_CFC> sorry, I'm trying to eat lunch and tyoe at the same time
<EMP_CFC> *type
<Joker> lol
<EMP_CFC> just to tell you I will be away friday-Monday for a short holiday
<EMP_CFC> just send all communication to cheetah or matrix
<Joker> ok, fine. So our next chat will be the other saturday rght?
<EMP_CFC> unless we need one saterday, then I would have to find someone to take my place
<EMP_CFC> we shouldn't have to miss a chat becuase of me
<Joker> but i think that a chat at saturday would be too close to this one
<EMP_CFC> yes
<Joker> but let see how the chat goes
<Joker> if needed we do the chat
<EMP_CFC> yes
<EMP_CFC> so how are things in
<EMP_CFC> C3B
<EMP_CFC> well I am in the forums and every CFc chat room, I am sure we will drag in some more guys
<Joker> just great, times after election are very good, people discussing friendly :P We made a sensus of our population, we like Role play part
<EMP_CFC> forget that last message
<EMP_CFC> role playing game intesting
<EMP_CFC> We used to have one in our Single player demo game, but due to lack of people we can't support one anymore
<Joker> sorry the delay, i´m calling more people
<Joker> i think that a lot of people is great
<EMP_CFC> I apolgize to, I am trying to stop crisis in the PTW MSDG;)
<Joker> a lot of opinions e many things like, a newspaper
<EMP_CFC> yes it is
<Joker> :)
<EMP_CFC> now just out of pure curiosity, is that newspaper going to be bashing me ;)
<Joker> sorry, but what is bashing?
<EMP_CFC> like give me a bad image
<Joker> the newspaper has a lot of reporters
<Joker> so many opinions :)
<EMP_CFC> lol good good
* Krasan has joined #C3BCFC
<EMP_CFC> Hail
<Krasan> Hi
<Joker> hi krasan
<Krasan> Hi Minister :)
<EMP_CFC> anyone else coming?
<Joker> i don´t think so, maybe, but we don´t have to wait for them
<Joker> for me we may begin
<EMP_CFC> ok
<Joker> so, let´s?
<EMP_CFC> you go first?
<Joker> ok
<Joker> You wrote us a letter, we reacted with another letter, what did you think of our letter? any comments?
<EMP_CFC> what do you mean by a true alliance?
<Joker> we think that if we are going to build a alliance, it cannot be done while we or you are hidding things, or making confusion with agreements
<EMP_CFC> yes yes
<Joker> like the sea exploration example
<Joker> that was not nice
<EMP_CFC> yes I undertand
<EMP_CFC> ok now that has been cleared up some of us have an idea
<EMP_CFC> would you guys be intersted in an pernament alliance, and we would help eachother in all ways
<EMP_CFC> and chare techs and allow passage into our teritory and vice versa
<EMP_CFC> *share
<Joker> including military alliance?
<EMP_CFC> yes
<EMP_CFC> now here is the thouhgt on miliary alliance
<EMP_CFC> we both team up to elimanate two teams
<Joker> and we would have a ally for the finals
<EMP_CFC> this is just a very vague thing, and I want to see what you guys think about it
<EMP_CFC> yes yes
<Joker> i think this is very good, but i have the same problem that you probaly have: many of our citizens still do not trustu you
<Joker> *trust
<Joker> i have a proposal
<Joker> We could build a program, like a list of tasks that we would do from time to time
<EMP_CFC> yes yees
<Joker> building the alliance of each area
<EMP_CFC> area you mean tech and exploration
<Joker> yeap, and others, like military, a DMZ (a new one, we think that we should create a new one, because the old proposals failed)
<Joker> we would build this alliance with calm, so we would slowly trusting eachother more
<Joker> what do you think
<EMP_CFC> so like we have a military alliance, but not a tech treaty, for example
<Joker> one sec plase, a citizen is tring to enter the chat
<EMP_CFC> yes
<Joker> she is downling mirc
<Joker> sorry about that
<Joker> my ideia is:
<Joker> we build an schedule incluiding militaty, techs, exploration and territories (DMZ)
<Joker> it would be done at certain dates
<Joker> like, Day X: we (both) do this
<Joker> and etc
<Joker> so we would build a alliace with calm, but having everything
<Joker> we would build confidence
<EMP_CFC> at Day X we both do what?
<Joker> it was an exemple. Like 26 of June we make exploration by land possible
<Joker> like an organized alliance, what do you think
<Joker> just like it was done at European Union lol
<EMP_CFC> o no European Union ;)
<EMP_CFC> o I see slowly
* Cat[CivBR] has joined #C3BCFC
<EMP_CFC> like one at a time
<EMP_CFC> hail
<Joker> exatly
<Cat[CivBR]> hail
<Joker> Cat is from C3B
<Cat[CivBR]> Yup... that is me :) It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance.. Heard a lot about you
<Krasan> hi Cat
<EMP_CFC> uho you guys talk about me a lot
<EMP_CFC> lol
<Cat[CivBR]> of course, I read all the chats :)
<Joker> You are famous EMP
<Joker> :P
* Silver has joined #c3bcfc
<Silver> hi :)
<Joker> Silver! Our great ambassador
<Silver> sorry for my late :)
<Krasan> hi SW
<Silver> hi :)
<EMP_CFC> Famous EMP, cool I'm a star in a foreign nation but not my own
<Cat[CivBR]> Hi Sw ;) *kiss*
<EMP_CFC> np silver
<Silver> *kiss*
<Silver> so .... how was your people's reaction to our letter?
<EMP_CFC> intersting actions, well we were intersted
<Silver> good :)
<EMP_CFC> we had been talking about some kind of super treaty
<Silver> good :)
<EMP_CFC> we share all exploration, techs, and military alliance aginst 2 other teams so that we advance to the finals and we both are good friends there
<Joker> yes, and together we would have a very strong milaty force and very tecnology advanced
<Joker> so i will write this "plan"
<Silver> and we could even try, later on, a war against the other island ;) trying to divide them and then conquer at least one ;)
<Joker> and my proposal is: you change what do you think that must be changed
<Joker> and bring back to us
<Joker> and we both vote it. This way we won´t have the problem of the DMZ with two proposals
<Joker> what do you think
<EMP_CFC> yes there will be no DMZ
<EMP_CFC> we will jsut share
<Joker> share?
<Silver> share?
<EMP_CFC> I know it is a new consept for everyone ;)\
<EMP_CFC> I mean like just have a dividing line
<Silver> tell me more, so we can understand
<Silver> a frontier line?
<EMP_CFC> well this we havn't talked about so care to put any ideas?
<Cat[CivBR]> a frontier
<EMP_CFC> I guss so
<EMP_CFC> just a simple line
<EMP_CFC> maybe one space dividing
<Joker> but a do think that a DMZ would make people more calm
<Silver> it's not a ideia to throw away....
<Joker> souldn´t we try it again one more time?
<EMP_CFC> well we couyld do your plan jocker
<EMP_CFC> joker
<EMP_CFC> intoduce each phase one at a time
<Silver> let me throw to the discussion my ideia in 4 points:
<Joker> yeap. I think that your and our people are very creative to create new plans of DMZ
<Silver> 1) Discuss the DMZ on a friendly base, and not discussion 1 square ou 2
<EMP_CFC> intersting
<Silver> 2) Trade tech's based on the "price" of them. Cooperation on tech development.
* VJTD3 has joined #C3BCFC
<Silver> 3) Exploration with the most weak unit: warrior and curragh
<Joker> please identify yourself
<Silver> who are u VJTD3?
<EMP_CFC> could be a bot thing
<Silver> I will speak no more before identification
* EMP_CFC slaps VJTD3 around a bit with a large trout
<Silver> is he out?
<Joker> yeap
<Silver> ok
<EMP_CFC> no
<EMP_CFC> I still see him
<Silver> seems not...
<Silver> I see him too
<Joker> EMP kicks him
<Silver> I still see him here
<Silver> try again emp
* EMP_CFC sets mode: +b VJTD3!*VJTD3@ppp203.net267.fl.sprint-hsd.net
<Cat[CivBR]> you gotta use /kick nick
<Cat[CivBR]> or he will stay
<Silver> a spy????
<Silver> use /kick emp
<EMP_CFC> don't working
* EMP_CFC sets mode: +b *!*@ppp203.net267.fl.sprint-hsd.net
* VJTD3 was kicked by EMP_CFC (EMP_CFC)
<Silver> done!!!
<EMP_CFC> finally
<Cat[CivBR]> Better :)
<Joker> continue silver
<Silver> 4) strong alince and future militar cooperation against the other island
<Silver> the resume is:
<Silver> 1+2+3+4= Two friendly teams to go to the finals
<EMP_CFC> yes yes
<Joker> So EMP, we will be doing this plan as soon as possible and sending it to you, it will have all that silver said
<EMP_CFC> like when will it be in my mailbox
<Joker> And if you don´t agree with a term or 2 of the plan, you are free to change it
<EMP_CFC> and will you guys talk about a super treaty/ military alliance thingy
<Joker> i hope tomorrow or even tonight
<Silver> yep. But focus on one thing: We rather prefer to play a cooperative game with you.
<Joker> i believe that this "plan" will build this super treaty
<Silver> it's the wall's that will support the super treaty
<Silver> emp, do u guys have any other contact? is it licit for me to ask......
<EMP_CFC> licit?
<Silver> if I can ask.... :)
<EMP_CFC> intersting lingo ;)
<EMP_CFC> well you can PM them if anything urgent comes up
<Silver> lol
<EMP_CFC> I am on AIM a lot
<Cat[CivBR]> he said in the light of the alliance it would be lawful for us to ask :)
<EMP_CFC> but I will be away from Friday-Monday due to a river trip so just give everthing to Cheetah or MAtrix
<EMP_CFC> o lol
<Silver> ok
<Joker> that´s ok
<EMP_CFC> in this imaginare super treaty we would share all techs and have opean esploration all the time
<EMP_CFC> that is what I want
<Joker> yes
<Silver> so I have another proposal:
<EMP_CFC> we could leave that out though
<Silver> As we write down the super treaty, you guys write down a FAIR tech trade, ok?
<EMP_CFC> well how about just whatever we reserch we give to eachother
<EMP_CFC> and cooperated on it
<Joker> yes yes :)
<Silver> I think that is best to keep the trades by the tech price....
<Silver> that may lead that one team makes money and the other tech research....
<EMP_CFC> but then we will lose a tech advantage if we want to plow over other civs
<Silver> Thinking a little... if one team stops researching... the other will stop too....
<EMP_CFC> why would we stop
<Joker> we thing that your ideia is great, we will make sure to include it the " plan"
<Silver> ok. let's think positive :)
<EMP_CFC> we are :)
<Silver> :D
<Joker> grea, i´m really pleased with this chat
<Silver> so we (joker ;) ;) ) will write down the super pact, and we will submit it to or people
<Silver> yep :) I hope this will change the attitudes of both civ's
<EMP_CFC> yes
<EMP_CFC> can one of yuo send me a log
<Silver> ok
<Joker> sure
<EMP_CFC> thank you
<EMP_CFC> well don't vote on it yet
<EMP_CFC> just talk about it and we will too
<Silver> you will need your people votes or u have power to decide this kind of agreement?
<Joker> yes let´s hold the voting so we may discuss and we may aprove it
<Joker> Emperor is just the nick silver ;)
<Silver> yep
<EMP_CFC> I wish I had the power but the people of Fantica would have to vote, but like I said I wanna talk more before andthing happens
<Silver> ok.
<EMP_CFC> your citizens do not speak much do they ;)
<Silver> they trust 1000000% on their diplomatic staff :D
<Cat[CivBR]> As a citizen I may say I voted in those guys.. lol.. trust them
<Silver> I just hope that we don't make any other step back. I belive that one step back will not be recoverable.....
<Joker> and we have some security holding them from talking ... lol
<Krasan> me to
<Joker> some dogs too
<Joker> so i think this is it EMP,
<Joker> we will send you the "plan", let´s discuss and changed it before voting
<EMP_CFC> lol
<EMP_CFC> well farwell!
<Joker> good bye
Session Close: Wed Jun 23 19:10:59 2004

Once again I was the only one there. Comments?
 
Good job, Emperor. Sorry, I wanted very much to attend but RL did not allow this time. Does this Joker guy have any influence? Why Bremp did not come?
 
Once again I was the only one there. Comments?
. Where do I find this chat-schedule; I want to join those chats.

Well, the tone is set; some details need to be filled in, but the foundation is there. Super-treaty. Sounds good.

I don't think it's allowed to give info in contacts till Printing Press.
 
A very good chat. Good job Emp :)

We're supposed to write a fair tech trade? Think that can be done, but are we to list the different techs and what they will be traded for, or?
 
Rik Meleet said:
. Where do I find this chat-schedule; I want to join those chats.

It's a little shaky but it is uswally ever saterday, but this time it was an exception. We could have one saterday but I will not be able to attend. If you still want to have one Cheetah or any other elected offical (or Matrix) woud have to promise me before Friday that they will be able to put it on. I wil try to give a couple day's notice on chats.
 
This is good! They really want an alliance! :crazyeye: Let's make some fair treaty!

I'm only concerned about the step-plan. We've seen in the past that many treaties only lead to confusing and frustration. This might be a very bad plan.

By the way, now they will certainly expect us to be open about everything. But they will see us having the Statue of Zeus very suddenly, secretly... :satan: Make sure we have a story ready to back this up.

An alliance is more profitable for us than for them (they have immortals and are stronger, and the others are probably above them and not below us), so we should absolutely play along!

But it depends on the map whether such an alliance is possible at all. Perhaps the others are so unreachable that C3B is our only possible enemy.
 
Matrix said:
By the way, now they will certainly expect us to be open about everything. But they will see us having the Statue of Zeus very suddenly, secretly... :satan: Make sure we have a story ready to back this up.
Do you want to write it? I'm not good at making up stories :p



Matrix said:
But it depends on the map whether such an alliance is possible at all. Perhaps the others are so unreachable that C3B is our only possible enemy.

Well we could just wait for CDZ to kill everyone else off :p
So what if we are the only ones, just in case. It is not nessoaroly our duty to kill of a team, let the others. If we come upon GCA or CDZ then let's get them. If we come along CGN let's let them in this alliance. We need to get rid of GCA and/or CDZ, with CDZ taking priority over the other. I want a good realationship with CGN, as having 3 nations in Science agreement would make us unsopable aginst even an GCA/CDZ alliance.
 
My only suggestion is that we don't set a DMZ.

Whowever can settle the area, gets the area. It shouldn't be laid out like that.
 
Emp.Napoleon said:
Do you want to write it? I'm not good at making up stories :p
Sure. :D Luckily I have some time anyway.
Emp.Napoleon said:
Well we could just wait for CDZ to kill everyone else off :p
So what if we are the only ones, just in case. It is not nessoaroly our duty to kill of a team, let the others.
But what if the others think the same way? Two of them could ally against the third, and wait for us to kill each other. And if another is north of C3B, isn't it much easier to ally with them to get rid of C3B?
Emp.Napoleon said:
If we come upon GCA or CDZ then let's get them. If we come along CGN let's let them in this alliance. We need to get rid of GCA and/or CDZ, with CDZ taking priority over the other.
Agreed.
Emp.Napoleon said:
I want a good realationship with CGN, as having 3 nations in Science agreement would make us unsopable aginst even an GCA/CDZ alliance.
I don't think so. Three can still loose from two others, especially if GCA/CDZ join forces.

I also totally agree with Hygro! :goodjob:
 
Hygro said:
My only suggestion is that we don't set a DMZ.

Whowever can settle the area, gets the area. It shouldn't be laid out like that.

The problem is that we apparently cannot settle the area before them. Looks like they got a settler factory running whereas we don't have a settler every 4 turns.
 
Hygro said:
My only suggestion is that we don't set a DMZ.

Whowever can settle the area, gets the area. It shouldn't be laid out like that.

I say we just have one line and we both agree not to settle within one square, or we can just have one line and can settle as close as we want to it.
 
I don't trust C3B. They seem a little too eager to form an alliance. Don't let their troops in our territory. :/ You never know whebn that Protection Force might turn into an Occupation Force
 
Splendid idea, deshelbr! :goodjob:

And Goldflash, whatever happens we will never let them into our territory. ;) I also don't think that'll be necessary, since there can't be anyone south to us. Let's just play along as there is no danger for us yet.
 
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