Chess experiment... something to break the boredom

[Aphex_Twin]

I have an idea. Let's play a different type of chess.
Here's how it goes:

There is only one board, but several players organized as teams. On each turn each of the teams take a vote on what should be the next move...

Everyone can join, but they would not know on which side (the trick). Once several people join the game can start and the teams are distributed randomly.

Anyone interested?

 

[Dell19]

The disadvantage would be that it would be difficult to stop people voting on both polls.

 

[Smash]

hehehe..that would be neat to vote for bad moves for the other side

There was a Kasparov vs The World game like this a few years ago.Although it ended in a draw,the general feeling was too many cooks spoil the soup.

Its easy enough to get around any "funny stuff"..I don't think we have too much worries with the honor system in this forum but we havn't had much luck with anything "organized" here.

How or who would nominate moves for voting?

 

[Aphex_Twin]

Only the one who join, and after they are paired up vote... just a thought.

Well... if noone is interested we can drop this

 

[mordhiem]

Originally posted by Smash
There was a Kasparov vs The World game like this a few years ago.Although it ended in a draw,the general feeling was too many cooks spoil the soup.

Kasparov actually won in 62 moves...

 

[Panzar75]

That's correct. There's a book on the subject written by Garri Kasparov, "Kasparov against the world". It's pretty interesting to follow his work and thoughts on this game. I strongly recommend it.

If you missed the game (as I did) and don't have the book, I can give you the moves.

The game was played in the summer / autumn 1999.

The world had four analysts making recommendations for each move, as stated in the book "no one would look good if the world lost its Queen on move 15". Analysts were "next generation chess masters" Irina Krush, Elisabeth Paehtz, Florin Felecan and Etienne Bacrot.

The game lasted for several months and "---" means one of them could not make a recommendation for whatever reason. Usually because they were away playing a tournament.

White: Garry Kasparov
Black: The world

1. e4, c5

Analyst's recommendations: c5, c5, d6, c5
Voting results: c5 2270, e5 1548, d6 584, e6 222, Nf6 192

2. Nf3, d6

Analyst's recommendations: d6, d6, d6, d6
Voting results: d6 4665, Nc6 1117, Nf6 694, e6 331, d5 102

3. Bb5+, Bd7

Analyst's recommendations: Nd7, Nd7, Bd7, Bd7
Voting results: Bd7 3119, Nd7 2127, Nc6 662, Kb5 143, a6 23

4. Bxd7+, Qxd7

Analyst's recommendations: Qxd7, Qxd7, Qxd7, ---
Voting results: Qxd7 4479, Nxd7 1976, dKxd7 231, Nf6 20, Nc6 12

5. c4, Nc6

Analyst's recommendations: Nc6, Nc6, Nc6, ---
Voting results: Nc6 5560, Nf6 808, e5 328, Qg4 246, g6 211

6. Nc3, Nf6

Analyst's recommendations: g6, Ne5, Nf6, Nf6
Voting results: Nf6 3405, g6 1935, Ne5 355, e5 215, Nd4 169

This took longer to write than I thought... think I'll give it to you in segments...

 

[Panzar75]

You're of course missing most of the fun, Kasparov explaining why he made his moves and commenting on black's moves and the game in general, but I can hardly give you the whole book both because of the copyright and because it would take forever to write.

7. 0-0, g6

Analyst's recommendations: g6, g6, g6, Ne5
Voting results: g6 3086, Ne5 400, e5 332, e6 279, 0-0-0 197

8. d4, cxd4

Analyst's recommendations: cxd4, cxd4, cxd4, cxd4
Voting results: cxd4 5358, Nxd4 265, 0-0-0 139, Bg7 130, e5 75

9. Nxd4, Bg7

Analyst's recommendations: Bg7, Bg7, Bg7, Bg7
Voting results: Bg7 5206, Nxd4 452, e5 294, 0-0-0 109, Qg4 64

10. Nde2, Qe6

Analyst's recommendations: Qe6, Qe6, 0-0, 0-0
Voting results: Qe6 2959, 0-0 2062, 0-0-0 78, Qg4 66, e5 64

This move made Kasparov send a message of congratulations to the world, and also made him dead serious about this game.
It's like facing the russians in ice hockey in the 80's... you don't want to score and make them throw in second gear...

11. Nd5, Qxe4

Analyst's recommendations: Qxe4, Qxe4, Qxe4, Qxe4
Voting results: Qxe4 4022, 0-0 371, Rc8 309, Qd7 228, 0-0-0 206

12. Nc7+, Kd7

Analyst's recommendations: Kd7, Kd7, ---, Kd7
Voting results: Kd7 6567, Kd8 304, Kf8 58, 0-0 46, 0-0-0 26

 

[Smash]

opps,sorry....my bad

I actually voted a few times.Wasn't there some controversy?Didn't a couple of the "captains" quit part way thru or something?I seem to remember something about an allegeded pre-arranged draw by Polgar..or is my alzheimer's kicking in again?

 

[Panzar75]

Yes, there was some controversy. Among others, a quote from later in the book.

My point was that this game had long ceased to be an event where ordinary players could have their say. Everyone was following the suggestions from Irina and her group. It had turned into a tough professional game, and I did not like the pretense that it was otherwise.

I hope someone is appreciating this, it's a lot of work to write... Well, I know I would love it if I hadn't bought the book as I wasn't there when it happned.

13. Nxa8, Qxc4

Analyst's recommendations: Qxc4, Qxc4, Qxc4, Qxc4
Voting results: Qxc4 6157, Rxa8 388, Ng4 61, Nb4 28, Nh5 15

14. Nb6+, axb6

Analyst's recommendations: axb6, axb6, axb6, axb6
Voting results: axb6 5162, Kc7 37, Ke6 19, Ke8 8, Kd8 4

15. Nc3, Ra8

Analyst's recommendations: Ra8, b5, d5, Rd8
Voting results: Ra8 3456, b5 1056, Rd8 789, d5 354, Ne4 303

16. a4, Ne4

Analyst's recommendations: Ne4, Ra5, Nd4, d5
Voting results: Ne4 3482, Nd4 973, Ra5 886, d5 561, Ng4 165

17. Nxe4, Qxe4

Analyst's recommendations: Qxe4, Qxe4, Qxe4, Qxe4
Voting results: Qxe4 5824, Ke6 42, Nd4 26, f5 21, Qxf1+ 16

18. Qb3, f5

Analyst's recommendations: f5, Nd4, Nd4, Nd4
Voting results: f5 2639, Nd4 2148, e6 552, Ne5 156, Bd4 152

 

[Panzar75]

19. Bg5, Qb4

Analyst's recommendations: Qb4, Nd4, Nd4, Qd4
Voting results: Qb4 2347, Nd4 2264, Qd4 875, h6 216, Bd4 133

20. Qf7, Be5

Analyst's recommendations: Be5, Be5, Be5, Be5
Voting results: Be5 5334, Qxb2 615, Bxb2 494, Qd4 144, Bd4 90

21. h3, Rxa4

Analyst's recommendations: Rxa4, Rxa4, Rh8, Rxa4
Voting results: Rxa4 3422, Rh8 746, Qxb2 150, Bxb2 130, f4 90

22. Rxa4, Qxa4

Analyst's recommendations: Qxa4, Qxa4, Qxa4, Qxa4
Voting results: Qxa4 7031, Qxb2 27, Nd8 21, Qb5 9, d5 8

23. Qxh7, Bxb2

Analyst's recommendations: Bxb2, Bxb2, Bxb2, Bxb2
Voting results: Bxb2 6025, Qe4 112, Qc4 78, f4 63, Qb5 61

24. Qxg6, Qe4

Analyst's recommendations: Qe4, Qe4, Qe4, Qe4
Voting results: Qe4 5076, Nd4 138, Qc2 93, Ne5 89, f4 55

 

[Panzar75]

25. Qf7, Bd4

Analyst's recommendations: Bd4, d5, Bd4, Bd4
Voting results: Bd4 3758, d5 486, Nd4 213, b5 209, Be5 181

26. Qb3, f4

Analyst's recommendations: f4, Bc5, Bc5, Bc5
Voting results: f4 2631, Bc5 2602, Na5 206, e6 127, Ne5 118

27. Qf7, Be5

Analyst's recommendations: Be5, Be5, Be5, Be5
Voting results: Be5 5409, f3 182, Ne5 120, b5 108, Nd8 108

28. h4, b5

Analyst's recommendations: b5, b5, b5, b5
Voting results: b5 3891, f3 183, d5 89, Nd8 88, Kc8 57

29. h5, Qc4

Analyst's recommendations: Qc4, Qc4, Qc4, Qc4
Voting results: Qc4 4796, b4 353, f3 218, Qe2 187, Nd8 123

30. Qf5+, Qe6

Analyst's recommendations: Qe6, Qe6, Qe6, ---
Voting results: Qe6 5760, Kc7 274, e6 262, Ke8 61, Nd4 40

 

[Smash]

 

[Panzar75]

No one seems very interested, so I'll skip the extra work by simply posting only the moves from now on.

31. Qxe6+, Kxe6
32. g3, fxg3
33. fxg3, b4
34. Bf4, Bd4+
35. Kh1, b3
36. g4, Kd5
37. g5, e6
38. h6, Ne7
39. Rd1, e5
40. Be3, Kc4
41. Bxd4, exd4
42. Kg2, b2
43. Kf3, Kc3
44. h7, Ng6
45. Ke4, Kc2
46. Rh1, d3
47. Kf5, b1(Q)
48. Rxb1, Kxb1
49. Kxg6, d2
50. h8(Q), d1(Q)
51. Qh7, b5
52. Kf6+, Kb2
53. Qh2+, Ka1
54. Qf4, b4
55. Qxb4, Qf3+
56. Kg7, d5
57. Qd4+, Kb1
58. g6, Qe4
59. Qg1+, Kb2
60. Qf2+, Kc1
61. Kf6, d4
62. g7, resigns

Kasparov's team had in fact found a forced mate in 25(!) moves.

 

[[GR]Ishtari]

I have made a 3 sided chess board and a 4 sided and a five sided. if anyone is interested in knowing how to make one let me know. also their are diff rules for checkmate and movement. Me and my friends use to play a 5 sided game. dam funny when ya drunk. Its a better way to play with a group of pp.