Christian Shrine?

[TowerWizard]

Where is it? It is not in Rome (the Holy City) nor in Jersusalem (the REAL Holy City), nor can it be built in Rome by a Great Prophet. I tried once. Then I forgot that I had tried, played the game another time and tried again. INCREDIBLY ANNOYING to have put all that pain into getting a Great Prophet, hard for the 600 start, and then finding out he is totally useless!

Also, there is a lot of changes not presented in the "Odds and ends" page: that Flood Plains cannot be worked until biology ruined another game for me. Totally ok, but write those changes out!

Why would you want to change the corporation names? They were much better than just "Mining co."

 

[Bonci]

It's in Jerusalem in the 600AD start

 

[TowerWizard]

Aha, so you mean that Al-Quds is Jerusalem? Oh. And the fact that that city doen't even have the Christian religion? Ignored, I see.

Well, that makes sense. Thank you, World Builder and Bonci.

 

[JiimBV]

Aha, so you mean that Al-Quds is Jerusalem? Oh. And the fact that that city doen't even have the Christian religion? Ignored, I see.

While there is Christianity in Jerusalem, it is a minority in comparison to Islam and Judaism. Christianity never became popular in the Middle East. Rome is the holy city because it is the home of Catholicism.

 

[TowerWizard]

What I am complaining about is the fact that the Pope is totally useless in this game! I though "Cool, the the Pope attracts believers in the same way as the Holy Shrine!" when I saw that Rome was the Holy City. This was not the case. Thus, I wrote this thread. Like it or not, I think that a Holy City should be able to hold a Holy Shrine. That is the definition of a Holy City, in my book.

 

[krieger546]

It would make sense, yes. But like it or not, the Church of the Nativity is located in Bethelem.

 

[Bonci]

But Rome has the Apostolic palace in the 600AD start...so the Pope is represented too!

 

[killerkebab]

The Pope does attract believers. The Apostolic Palace may well be the main factor in European civilizations choosing Christianity over, say, Islam.

The Shrine still exists (in Jerusalem, whose name in Arabic is Al-Quds) and does help spread the religion (if I'm not mistaken). If you want the revenue, just conquer the Middle East - cities such as Alexandria, Cairo, Jerusalem, Baghdad and Khartoum are full of riches

 

[TowerWizard]

Ok, it got the Apostolic Palace. Yes, that could represent the effect of the Pope!

The only objection to what you said is that that would overexpand your empire by waay to much for the stability to cope with... Unless I am mistake here too? I have got a constant 1 star rating in that category for a long time in my game as the Germans, even thougth I have conquered all of europe and much of east asia, and made up for that with a 5 star economy and a 4-5 star foreign rating. Does that mean I shold have conuered this slower, or that I have conquered too little, or that I have only conquered what I was expected to conquer, or what?

 

[blizzrd]

You have already chosen the best way to combat the expansion penalty, by getting a positive economy and other stability categories.

Germany has to get a poor expansion rating when going for the UHV because it is required to control so many foreign capitals, each of which drives the expansion stability category down.

 

[TowerWizard]

No matter how many wonders I build, or happiness resources I have and so on, I have just 3 stars in cities, with around 0 points stability points. Every city have courthouses/jails/agancies/burous. How can I raise it higher?

Civicswise, I have had anarch twice, and I have only chosen those that should be best in the appropriate era, but I have never gotten more than 3 stars here either.

Economy just about outweights expansion. Don´t rememper the last category. I have been Shaky for lots of turns, but I still need England.

I suppose i could bear to loose rome and france to new nations, but it is so frustrating...

What about the "civ specific size" thing? Should this not help Germany keep such a large empire? Or, maybe it does?

 

[blizzrd]

No matter how many wonders I build, or happiness resources I have and so on, I have just 3 stars in cities, with around 0 points stability points. Every city have courthouses/jails/agancies/burous. How can I raise it higher?

Happiness. Use the culture slider and buildings to generate extra happiness in your cities and you will raise your cities category value.

 

[antaine]

Well, outside of the Jewish core area in modern Israel, Christianity DID become "popular" throughout the Middle East and North Africa (and very much so) prior to the invasion of Muslim peoples (I'm referring to the Roman and later Byzantine periods).

Really, since the office (and influence) of "Pope" is something any religion could do in the game (by building the Apostolic Palace), Christianity does need a Christian-specific shrine of its own. Historically speaking, I've always thought that the Church of the Nativity was a very poor choice for this, as it should really have been the Church of the Holy Sepulchre (which is in Jerusalem).

 

[kochman]

Christianity never became popular in the Middle East.

I suggest you check your history books, buddy, because this is completely false.

 

[Californio]

I suggest you check your history books, buddy, because this is completely false.

I agree, Eastern Orthodox Church

 

[Leoreth]

Even more so, the Nestorian Church. It still exists today.

 

[kochman]

You see, that type of thinking... that Christianity never really made it in the Middle East... it makes the Crusades seem like a total act of aggression instead of a response to the spread of Islam by force over Christian lands.

 

[onedreamer]

the first nations to convert to Christianity were in the Middle East, and still are to the present day even after Arab and Ottoman conquests.

 

[Leoreth]

Er ... the crusades WERE a total act of aggression, no matter if there was a Christian minority in the Levant or not.

 

[kochman]

Er ... the crusades WERE a total act of aggression, no matter if there was a Christian minority in the Levant or not.

Er... no, they weren't. They were a RESPONSE to the Islamic invasion of lands where Christians where the majority.
Check your history books before posting please.

Let me give you a short summary, the 1st Crusade was called after the Byzantines appealed to the Pope for assistance in staving off Islamic forces for CENTURIES.