Citizen Discussion - Adjust Quorum/Census Levels?

@Donsig

I don't see the point in having one base participation figure for changes to the big C and another for CoL and CoS changes. Surely all that would do would cause confusion and potentially prevent even unanimously supported constitution changes going through in the event of another stratospheric turnout for a presidential election.
 
@daaraa: maybe i just dont take the time to do a niceley formulated speach some do. i think the points inside are much more important than the form.
i did never in any word say i know what citizenry in total wants, but as i am part of it even i count as voice of citizenry. where did you get your idea from?
 
This proposal does not conflict with any other articles of the Constitution, nor does it render any of our existing laws and standards unconstitutional.

therefore it passes my review and I hereby certify it to be a constitutional Constitutional Ammendment & poll. :D
 
I also confirm that this proposal does not conflict with other articles of the Constitution. It also does not conflict with any existing Laws or Standards. As such, it passes my review.

I will post the polls.
 
The comments being made against this proposal are against the proposal in principle. As such, they will be weighed in the poll. I'm not trying to ram through legislation. It has become obvious that we are down to either liking the idea or not liking the idea and that's a deadlock that is properly decided in the poll.
 
Originally posted by disorganizer
@daaraa: maybe i just dont take the time to do a niceley formulated speach some do. i think the points inside are much more important than the form.
i did never in any word say i know what citizenry in total wants, but as i am part of it even i count as voice of citizenry. where did you get your idea from?
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No its not really flowery speech. There have just been times in the past (pre-public investigation ranting, delphi rebellion) where I felt that you seemed to assume a lot of things. I know I'm not one for speeches or flowery writing so I don't expect anyone else to be. Just because I have felt something doesn't make it true.
I have absloutely no ill feelings toward you. And I am sorry if I caused you any offense. :goodjob: (more like a handshake of peace)

Back on topic, I think I can understand what I going on.
We are adjusting what the figures are used to determine the "census" ? Is that about it?

edit - BTW - I just voted yes. But could someone still answer my question?
 
Originally posted by Daaraa
Back on topic, I think I can understand what I going on.
We are adjusting what the figures are used to determine the "census" ? Is that about it?

edit - BTW - I just voted yes. But could someone still answer my question?
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Yes. The proposal changes our census from the number of people who vote for the president to the average of the number of people who vote in each election.
 
Originally posted by Eklektikos
@Donsig

I don't see the point in having one base participation figure for changes to the big C and another for CoL and CoS changes. Surely all that would do would cause confusion and potentially prevent even unanimously supported constitution changes going through in the event of another stratospheric turnout for a presidential election.
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I see the point either Eklektikos and that's what I been saying in every post in this thread! (ARGHHH!!!!) What we have is one base participation figure - the census. Even if this proposal passes we will STILL have everything based on one figure. It will still be called the census but IT WILL BE A MUCH LOWER FIGURE WHICH WILL MAKE IT MUCH EASIER TO NOT ONLY PASS LAWS BUT Change the Constitution as well!!!!!!

Please accept my apologies for yelling. I will now go to therapy.
 
The entire point is to base it on a reliable number. Once we have a base figure that is reliable you can comfortably campaign to change the approval requirements to make changing rules as difficult as you want.
 
The problem we are tring to fix is not 'it is too hard/easy to get laws through', the problem is we do not have an accurate measure of how many people can be expected to vote regularly. Once we have this number, we can ajust the % of people that need to vote in order to reach quorum. There is no point having %-of-voters baced quorums if we have no idea what the number of voters REALLY is. Thats what this amendment would help and it is a good amendment.
 
@daaraa:
oh, than its ok. finally delphi rebellion is just a "roleplay fun" kind of thing (hey, i could have done it earlier if i really had wanted) and the pre-pi was triggered by pm and personal chat talk.
so i hope you see i really try to get my discussion base from gathering information from citizens rather than my own opinion. in fact, in most of the former pis i even posted opinions which were clearly against my own.
 
Originally posted by Almightyjosh
The problem we are tring to fix is not 'it is too hard/easy to get laws through', the problem is we do not have an accurate measure of how many people can be expected to vote regularly. Once we have this number, we can ajust the % of people that need to vote in order to reach quorum. There is no point having %-of-voters baced quorums if we have no idea what the number of voters REALLY is. Thats what this amendment would help and it is a good amendment.
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I consider anyone who wants to be a part of the demo game ot be a citizen. I am perfectly happy to allow each citizen to participate as much or as little as they see fit. If a citizen merely wants to vote in the presidential election then he or she should be counted as a fulll citizen. (Mind you, I am not suggesting there even are any citizend who do just that, but if there are what's the big deal?) Someone mentioned in an earlier post that we want to incluse ALL citizens in the census. By using the average who vote in elections we are excluding some citizens from the census.

As I've said countless times before the way to *fix* this problem is to not use the census for the basis of making changes to the CoL and CoS or for poll quorums. The latter is a farce anyway in Phoenatica. We got a culture victory instead of a spaceship victory becasue ONE citizen voted in a poll after the turn chat had begun! (The poll was 10/9/1.)
 
Wrong again, Donsig. We got a Culture Victory instead of a spaceship victory because ONE citizen (YOU) paid attention to that poll. BTW, thank you very much!
 
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