Originally posted by starlifter:
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quote:If you set the slider above 50% in Fundy, the 10%, 20%, or 30% is simply
truncated. It is not recovered in taxes or Lux. You should never set Fundy
above 50% science. Raise the Tax ot Lux instead.
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by Nethog:
Ok, but what does "all science halved" mean? - is the number of actual beakers under Fundy
1/2 * 50% * # arrows?
Also, under Fundy, do luxuries get converted to Tithes or do they just have their normal effect?
Let this confusion of yours sink in real good, because when someone does not understand just how something works, it is easy easy easy to get confused!
When something is defined in terms of numbers, confusion can reign..... It is a coincidince that your example is utterly clear, distinct, and plain to me.... but it is not at all clear to a lot of Civ 2 players, including you. This is why I jumped on the Courthouse example of 50% so hard...
There are two totally separate effects of Fundy on science, applied in this order:
1. The maximum amount of science allocated is 50%, despite the fact the slider can actaully go to 60% or 70% or 80%.
Example: You set 20/70/10 T/S/L. What you get is: 20/50/10. That's it. Cut and dry -- You just pissed away 20% of your civilization's possible output that could have gone to taxes or luxuries.
If you set 10/80/10, you only get 10/50/10.
if you set 40/60/0, you only get 40/50/0.
2. Any science produced by the cities (e.g., by the slider -- which is capped at 50% despite a 60, 70, or 80 setting -- and the einsteins) is totaled, then cut in half, then that amount is applied to your ammumulation of science beakers for the next advance.
THE MOST FUNDY SCIENCE YOUR CITIES WILL EVER GET IS BY:
(#1.) SETTING 50% (or more) WITH THE SLIDER, THEN
(#2) CUTTING THAT 50% (max) RESULT OF #1 IN HALF.
Revision 1.07 added the #1 part, btw. That is why the Prima Guide and most people have no clue.
PS, someone can modify both #1 and #2 in the rules.txt. I've posted about that in other threads
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your reply to ST:
but on the other hand
I think some redundancy is good for newer players.
I agree with you on this issue for the parts of Civ 2 that are confusing to newer players. Redundancy should be used in instances such as the SDI effect, and not left to confusion by the reader.
now.... that said, I don't think your summary charts should delve into equations. That defeats the purpose. Civ 2 cannot be totally and completely summed up on one crystal clear page. Stick to the theme of stating facts, and stating them as succinctly as possible. Avoid trying to use huge jumbled all encompassing sentences. There are too many exceptions to do it justice, and your summary gets wrapped around the axle.
SKIP THE EQUATIONS. IT TAKES PAGES AND PAGES TO EXPLAIN ALL THE DETAILS OF EACH CIV 2 FUNCTION... JUST LOOK AT POLLUTION, FOR EXAMPLE... OR BRIBERY... OR SUBVERSION... OR CORRUPTION....
State the general effect, and skip the numeric quantifications... you will only confuse people. Let them seek out details if they want. You yourself are even now confused by a basic and clearcut issue like the 50% Fundy numbers.
You do need to summarize the effect of Fundy on science... and you can do it succinctly, as we've suggested. Don't get bogged down with examples in your bullets. You are not writing a Prima Guide #2 (are you
)....
This is all my input... you are really free to take or disregard the above advice, it's up to you.
Also, under Fundy, do luxuries get converted to Tithes or do they just have their normal effect?
If I understand waht you''re asking: heck no. Luxuries have nothing whatosover to do with tithes... how did you get that idea? I ask how, because it might point to something that confuses average players. whatever it is, stomp it out of your mind! Tithes have nothing at all to do with luxuries, and vice versa.
If you have a wonder that gives the benefit of a city improvement, but you also have the corresponding
city improvement, do you still pay the maintenance for the actual improvement? (I would think yes)
You bet your boots. Ditto for improvements that duplicat other improvements, like PP/HP/NP/SP/RC. If you got it in your city, you pay (unless in Anarchy, or Fundy, or have Adam Smith for all/part payments).
For the techs that "cancels" something (e.g. Electricity - cancels Great Library) does this only happen when you research the cancelling tech, or does it occur when the first civ researches the tech?
LOL, you
have played Civ 2 before, right
(joking!). Answer: When any civ discovers the cancelling advance, that's the end of the wonder's effects.
I guess the problem I have with statements like "increases the cost of revolting ..." is that you have no idea how much "increase" really is. For example, does it increase the cost by 1% to 5%, or from 10% to 50%, or 300% to 500%????
ANSWER: There are many other things that people don't know about civ... you cannot cram it all into a few bullets! Don't try. Let the reader seek details like that out.
Make a general, and correct, statement about trend and let it go. DO NOT QUANTIFY things like that. You will get it wrong (e.g., not cover all possible exceptions and number), and it will be confusing!
Looking at the corruption rate of Communism as shown in Starlifter's thread, I would say that "very low" should be "virtually zero" if under all conditions it is only a percent or two
Sure... use whatever proper relative terminology you want. Do not use actual example numbers or equations or a lawyers all-encompassing massive defiinition, though
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Anyway, that's my opinion, but hey, I did remove the courthouse percentage anyway (for now !!
GET RID of that whole example.
It is not in keping with a facutal summary sheet. Examples are confusing, esp. out of detailed context.
Use only factual numbers, like the Fundy numbers, to dryly and clearly state what things like Fundy do. You cannot summarize the effect of courthouses into 5 examples, much less only one.
Where did you get the 13? In my opinion cities with distance higher than 11 have the dist. shortened to 10; cities with dist. lower than 11 are unaffected by communism.
I must have been daydreaming. The 13 refers to the (10+3) diatance in the foumula. The number 10 is the max distance under Commie.
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