Yes. It is slightly inconvenient. Very, very slightly inconvenient. If anyone's game experience is ruined by having to double click when they expected to be able to single click, it's hard for me to be sympathetic, but maybe someone really is like that.
Civ 5 Vs. Civ 4 BTS+ RoM:AnD - a final conclusion
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Wait for 3-4 years. Then we'll compare cIV BTS with ciV XYZ & see which one is better.
You still don't get it, do you?
It is not about being "very very slightly inconvenient", it is about being inconvenient without any good reason.
Obviously they wanted the user to be able to select individual units. But they chose a way which is uncommon. Why on earth did they do so? And why on earth was this implemented just in one functionality and not in the other one (F3)?
And finally, it is not as if this were the only complaint. Read this forum, as I don't have to repeat all the things all over again.
The *whole* design is a flaw. It is just as simple as this.
Bhoy
Chieftain
ROM was a great mod but like some others say the turn time was just too slow, Civ4 only uses one of my quad cores so ROM would max it out.
In saying that I'm not sure Civ 5 is actually faster than the mod.
In saying that I'm not sure Civ 5 is actually faster than the mod.
Yeah, they shouldn't have done it. It's just so minor as to be very nitpicky, especially with so many other, more major concerns.
This is the very reason I'm rolling my eyes at that particular complaint. It seems like you're just looking for more things to complain about. It would be a little different if the game were otherwise spotless.
I am appalled by this comment. You under-estimate not only Fixaris/2kgames but the modding community now. Tread carefully.
protocol7
Chieftain
So your suggestion is that you should be able to come into threads and state your point of view, but no one else who disagrees with you should?
Jharii
King
I never stated that, nor implied that. I am just sick of the flame wars, is all.
lol, funny
the combat in 5 is far better
its so stupid to play in the dumb civ4 way of stacking thousands of units like a idiot
Jharii
King
And this is exactly the kind of crap I am talking about.
lschnarch:
Actually, I'm not entirely sure that putting in an "edit" clickable is such a bad idea. If you could just click into the name field, many players would simply not think about doing that despite how obvious it might seem to someone who's been playing Civ 4 for years and years. Putting in an "edit" clickable makes it more obvious to newcomers.
And yes, that means that it makes the game more accessible at the cost of a minor convenience issue for people who were going to buy the game anyway. Pardon my saying so, but I don't think accessibility features of Civ 5 can really be properly appreciated or criticized by people who've played hundreds of hours of Civ 4 and particularly not by people who think that putting in 300 units in the game is a great idea.
Actually, I'm not entirely sure that putting in an "edit" clickable is such a bad idea. If you could just click into the name field, many players would simply not think about doing that despite how obvious it might seem to someone who's been playing Civ 4 for years and years. Putting in an "edit" clickable makes it more obvious to newcomers.
And yes, that means that it makes the game more accessible at the cost of a minor convenience issue for people who were going to buy the game anyway. Pardon my saying so, but I don't think accessibility features of Civ 5 can really be properly appreciated or criticized by people who've played hundreds of hours of Civ 4 and particularly not by people who think that putting in 300 units in the game is a great idea.
dont know what you are talking about i just noticed this nonsense thread and joined to bring some logic
civ 4 combat was the absolute crap
there are many other aspects too
buildings?
you need ALL buildings in ALL cities in civ4
thats pathetic
the way civ5 improved town management is GREAT
you only need few specilized buildings, you dont have to spam like brainless cities and units
you THINK in civ5
maybe thats whats bothering ppl
Jharii
King
I know you don't. Sorry about that.
EDIT: See below. Ischnarch knows what I am talking about.
No further questions. Your witness.
I'll squeeze a post in between the arguments.
Civ 5 - I played around 60 hours, enjoyed it and returned to Civ 4 - BTS, discovered RoM (and it is excellent) and probably won't return to Civ 5 any time soon.
However, to make a fair comparison, I didn't get into Civ 3 until Conquests (I may even still have a HOF entry, must check), and didn't get into Civ 4 until BTS.
The time to play Civ 5 will return later....it can wait
Civ 5 - I played around 60 hours, enjoyed it and returned to Civ 4 - BTS, discovered RoM (and it is excellent) and probably won't return to Civ 5 any time soon.
However, to make a fair comparison, I didn't get into Civ 3 until Conquests (I may even still have a HOF entry, must check), and didn't get into Civ 4 until BTS.
The time to play Civ 5 will return later....it can wait
Afforess
The White Wizard
I spent a lot of time rewriting the AI from scratch for AND. Most players have to drop 2 difficulty levels. And the AI cheats less than in BTS.
I prefer "Kitchen sink expansion of a kitchen sink mod".
Couldn't be helped. It includes 400mb of unit/building art, 250mb of audio, and 200mb of new leaders. If I was really forced to, I could cut everything down to probably 10mb, but you'd lose a lot of what makes RoM unique.
When I switched to making it a full mod vs an installation overtop of RoM, I renamed it RAND.
I have a feeling that Afforess and I have a silent little battle going, because the two mods of ours (AND, PIG) pretty much have designs at opposite ends of the spectrum, and we both allude to this in our descriptions of our mods. Of course, his is a much more comprehensive, detailed and well-done mod that has had much more development skill poured into it, and a much larger fanbase probably for those reasons. Mine is a simpler (could I say 'streamlined'?
My mod is for people who played BTS, and wanted more content. Yours is for people who played BTS and wanted small tweaking and balancing.
Grr.. Looks like the mod has stalled 20MB from finishing. Looks like I might have to download the 850MB again, unless cfc allows resuming downloads.
BTW: PIG is less than 10MB
Sourceforge dl's allow resuming. Get a good download client that supports it if you need to.
That's RoM's feature list, not RAND's. I suggest you look at that instead.
I'm pretty sure RAND is actually faster than Civ5 in almost all cases. Pretty sad, since Civ4 uses 1 core, and Civ5 "can scale to 16 cores"
I completely understand. Just happens that some people living in 1st world countries are stuck with 3rd world internet connections or worse. Earlier this year when I was one of them, it would take several hours before I'd have success in getting CFC to accept an upload of 10MB. People on mobile internet might have to pay quite a bit for that much download. These are the sort of people who buy games on disc rather than use steam etc. Probably not many people of course.
Good idea. Unfortunately there seem to be a fair few people calling it AND. (including the OP
)That's pretty fair. Really, PIG is just Better BUG AI (Fuyu's) + balance changes + some aesthetic changes. I suspect a lot of people who look for mods are interested in new content, so PIG fills a relatively small and different niche. RoM (and RAND I guess) extend the gameplay and are certainly not hampered by the thought of adding new content. Describing them much more than that I really can't say without going and playing a full game.
Anyway, I finally got it installed, so I'll see how it goes. Do you have any suggestions of recommended settings before I start? How should I get into the mod with the lowest chances of getting confused?
Didn't know that. I take it you imply CFC does not allow resuming? I have a download client, but don't use it in this browser.
the343danny
Emperor
Okay... I would say there are one threads regarding RoM (which is a bad mod IMO, just throwing worthless content at you and pretty much no depth at all to an already shallow game) each week. Combined with 5 new threads every day on how much they dislike Civ 5, what gave you the idea that we need another one of these threads?
Sorry for calling you out in particular about this, but its really getting to my head. There is barely even a discussion in these forums.
And only thing even good about RoM is the revolutions, but that exists in the same exact form in many other overhaul mods. Also, Civ 5 with some gameplay mods like Balance and Economy and some AI mods + tweaked max HP is a better game in depth and gameplay than Civ 4 BTS. Sorry to break it to you, but some people actually think that, and not just "console players" that ranters like to say like Civ 5 over 4.
Oh, and some RoM lovers who rant on CIv 5 forums complain about bad AI, but I have played quite a bit of RoM myself, and I can safely say that RoM AI is quite terrible as well. Not insulting developers, but its only natural when there is so much content added in and not enough work on AI to handle all that content.
Sorry for calling you out in particular about this, but its really getting to my head. There is barely even a discussion in these forums.
And only thing even good about RoM is the revolutions, but that exists in the same exact form in many other overhaul mods. Also, Civ 5 with some gameplay mods like Balance and Economy and some AI mods + tweaked max HP is a better game in depth and gameplay than Civ 4 BTS. Sorry to break it to you, but some people actually think that, and not just "console players" that ranters like to say like Civ 5 over 4.
Oh, and some RoM lovers who rant on CIv 5 forums complain about bad AI, but I have played quite a bit of RoM myself, and I can safely say that RoM AI is quite terrible as well. Not insulting developers, but its only natural when there is so much content added in and not enough work on AI to handle all that content.
