Civ 7 Lore you would like to include, and Religion...

[Lazy sweeper]

I would like to include Saturn worship Lore in the game, with Mars Lore, Moon and Sun...
try to change early religious systems with more Lore, and leave religion on a very dark spot for much of the game...
something players do not really have a grip on... but its... Lore related...

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

What's Lore?

 

[Naokaukodem]

What's Lore?

History(-cal in the case of Civ) background ?

 

[Lazy sweeper]

Some kind of one time only choose your path decisions events that can lead to different scenarios.
Usually backed by some historic facts.
In Civ 2 Pliny the Elder wrote the Almanac of best civs every tot turns.
In retrospect that was also a kind of 'lore'

Example, a meteorite explosion, could lead to a great flood mith, or the sky is falling on our heads mith.
Or the coming of a Prophet to your doors
Or choose to persecute a new faith

Or as Old world uses it, to push leaders traits to write its own story within the game.
Something I haven't thinked to at this point but it is also lore.

 

[GeneralZift]

So you mean like random events?

 

[pokiehl]

Oh you’re talking about random events. I don’t think I support this. They get really repetitive because there are only so many.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

Oh you’re talking about random events. I don’t think I support this. They get really repetitive because there are only so many.

Not really random, I was thinking about a rewriting of the Religious mechanic, so much of it is motivated by tech tree,
and IF the tech tree is extended to death branches, as historically is the case, there would be so many of these 'random' events
that it would take an infinite amount of plays to find them all.


Think of... Decide to write on clay tablets or Papyrus. And a great fire or catastrophe occurs.
Clay tablets survive. Papyrus not. One civ will get a boost to Astronomy as data is retained.
The other goes back to stone age. On the other hand a Great flood occurs. Papyrus survive.
Lore related stories get written later on and Just that cult civ survive.
Later game aspects will reflects these choices.
A RND aspect could be ...revealing?
I dunno... but I get it could get repetitive at some point if not well laid out..

 

[pokiehl]

there would be so many of these 'random' events
that it would take an infinite amount of plays to find them all.

Then this would be impossible to actually implement into a game.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

Then this would be impossible to actually implement into a game.

It's called 'lore' because someone has to write it... nothing is impossible...

Pliny the Elder wrote eight books.
There is contained so much lore in every one of them that it seems impossible one person
wrote it all.
The Eight book is reportedly 'lost'

One chapter in book three talks about three suns...
Everything is online.
Just ten years ago accessing these books was not an easy feat...
We live in interesting times...

I know it would be difficult to implement civ specific lores, as Pliny the Elder was not known in the Americas, and MesoAmerican Oral traditions myths vice-versa
were not known in the Old world... but It can be done... I think...

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Yes, but what is that achieving gameplay-wise?

 

[Lazy sweeper]

Yes, but what is that achieving gameplay-wise?

History related events would improve immersion?

As per religion, it would lead to a more 'natural' enlightment and born of various cults?
It is an open debate on how much should religion affect gameplay in early stages also,
which I would like to be more 'AI' driven, without players having too much to think about.

The three suns event, possibly lead to the holy-trinity cult, wich later bacome part of Catholic Christianity, schismed from Eastern Christianity...
The same event as seen by the Finns? The triskel? Tibetans, swastikas, and Buddhism...
Venus appearance, as Medusa cult, or Queatzcoatl cult... decide if an event woud impact your civ could turn some events opposite
what history has defined... it could be interesting route to explore?

And each cult brings with it some aspects of government as well. For much of history, religious beliefs were in facts laws
civs defining. Any given cult would open a specific tech tree.
Some of this was established in Civ 6 with the secret societies card mechanic. Which worked. But it was not lore related.
It was still somehow retaining some RNG elements. Some liked it more than others, and I see it as an alternate civic tech tree
which aside the Vampires (...) was very well written and provided with some good content.