Civ IV - Backup CD

[maharaja]

Is it possible to create a backup CD from Civ. IV and then play using that CD. That was not possible with the earlier version of Civs.

Also, is it req. to have earlier version of Civ. installed on machine prior to installing civ. iV. As it's happened to me when I was trying to install PTW version and it asked to install Civ. III first. So I had to purchase CIV III too to play PTW. (Just asking even though I have all version of CIV. III, PTW, conq. installed - otherwise un-install all prior versions just to make some more room for HD to take a breath )

 

[mweather]

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[FlyPelican]

No. You won't need any versions of III to run the new CIV, it's a completely new game. PTW was an expansion to III. That's why you needed a previous version.

 

[maharaja]

Thanks FlyPelican Any idea for making a backup copy?

 

[Zukatah]

Thanks FlyPelican Any idea for making a backup copy?

telling you how to make a backup copy of the game would be in violation of the forums rule since it constitutes a basis for piracy. Sorry, no luck here for that kind of information...

 

[arcan]

telling you how to make a backup copy of the game would be in violation of the forums rule since it constitutes a basis for piracy. Sorry, no luck here for that kind of information...

Besides the legality of creating a backup CD depends on what country you are in. For example, if you're in the states, it's completetly illegal. If you're in france, it's legal (though you'll still have to find a way to make it). So check your local laws even before attempting it.

 

[maharaja]

I think making a backup copy for your own use is legal everywhere. These games reuired to have CD on computer while playing the game then it make more sense to play with bakcup copy. If some how CD is broken or got scratches you don't need to run to buy another CD.

Even FEMA prepares a backup plan (that's different story if it son't work then why not WE

 

[jeffelammar]

For example, if you're in the states, it's completetly illegal.

This is 100% false

The RIAA and other Media groups would like people to believe that it is illegal, but the Courts of the United States of America have repeately upheld the rights of consumers to make copies for "PERSONAL" use only.

This is what allows people to rip thier CDs to MP3s for use in portable media.

What is ILLEGAL is to copy it so that more than one copy is in use AT THE SAME TIME. In the CD/mp3 scenario, your CD is on the shelf at home and you are listening to your mp3 or iPod. That's legal. Your roommate is listening to the CD and you to the mp3 in differnt places, that would be considered a probable violation.

The Big Media industries sponsor between 5 and 10 new bills a year to the US Senate and House trying to restrict this right.

 

[Leggyguy]

Unfortunately, people on offical game boards, or highly populated game boards (like this one) are rather paranoid when the discussion comes to backing up games. You are right, there's nothing morally wrong with you creating a back up of your game, it's common sense; we have all had games which became unplayable because of scratches, etc.

On the other hand, you can understand why we cannot discuss such things here. Piracy is a real thorne in the side of the industry. And it annoys all us serious customers, too.

I for example will have to wait until the game is released here in the UK (abot a week I think) before I can buy it, and I received a msn message about 40 minutes ago from a guy I know from some forums that he is already downloading it. It is agony knowing I wont play the game for a week, when someone else will be playing it later tonight, and not paying for it. I hate piracy, and this sort of thing just rubs in how terrible piracy is even more.

With piracy this bad, it is completely understandable why we cannot discuss methods of copying discs.

 

[jeffelammar]

telling you how to make a backup copy of the game would be in violation of the forums rule since it constitutes a basis for piracy. Sorry, no luck here for that kind of information...

Incidently, this is the argument that the RIAA uses against lots of legal tools.

[soapbox]

This is more a matter of opinion, that hasn't really been fully testing in the courts.

BitTorrent and other file sharing tools CAN be used for illegal purposes, but they also have thousands of perfectly legal applications.

The question is whether the creators of the tool have a responsibility to make sure that the tool is not used for illegal purposes.

In my opinion, if we say "File Sharing software must make sure it isn't used to break copyright" is like saying "Baseball Bat manufacturers must make sure that they aren't used to hit people".

[/soapbox]

 

[arcan]

sorry for the false info guys. In France, there was that legal discussion not long ago when firms wanted to make it illegal, and one of the points announced was it was illegal in the states... I guess they also misunderstood...
I know though that edonkey and such have also legal uses.
I think there would be less downloading if there were a playable demo. I would download it immediately to wait untill the game come out in France!!!

 

[Zukatah]

In Canada, it's not illegal to download stuff and make backup copies. What is illegal is the distribution...

It's fairly easy to make a backup copy of Civ4 since it uses a very well known copy protection system but there's no way we can say how here for obvious reasons.

 

[NP300]

thier CDs to MP3s for use in portable media.

What is ILLEGAL is to copy it so that more than one copy is in use AT THE SAME TIME. In the CD/mp3 scenario, your CD is on the shelf at home and you are listening to your mp3 or iPod. That's legal. Your roommate is listening to the CD and you to the mp3 in differnt places, that would be considered a probable violation.

Actually, it is legal to make copies of music provided they are for personal use, which includes friends (but not people that you don't know). There was a court decision many years back where it was decided that copying a music casette for friends was fair use.

 

[Mercade]

Regardless, discussion of how to copy the game for any purpose (including personal use and backups) or the discussion of no-CD patches is explicitly against the rules of the forum, so I'm affraid this discussion isn't going to go anywhere towards answering the original question.

 

[asurania]

Regardless, discussion of how to copy the game for any purpose (including personal use and backups) or the discussion of no-CD patches is explicitly against the rules of the forum, so I'm affraid this discussion isn't going to go anywhere towards answering the original question.

now to throw it offf....what about people that download the game...after purchasing it...cuz there order is still in the mail of a certin game, or they lost the cd or, its scratched up badly...is that moral or not?

i personally don't think so....cuz i buy all games..that i "love" which includes for me civ 1, civ 2, civ 2 test of time, civ2 ctp, civ3 (three times..keep losing the cd), civ conquest twice (lend it out once, and the guy moved), and civ PTW, and now civ 4 which is somewhere between united states and canada. And i do plan of getting another copy for my second pc for multiplayer if needed

 

[Mercade]

You can twist, turn and argue all you like, but the fact remains that in many countries it is not legal and this forum explicitly stated in the rules that this forum wants to stay away from such activities at all, for several reasons including keeping good relations with the creators and producers of

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Whether downloading a game you purchased is moral is therewith totally irrelevant. The administrator of the forum doesn't want the discussion on the forum.

 

[Trexpack]

Shouldnt a Moderator be locking this thread? Just a question, considering the content of the thread.