Civ Representation in Civilization VI

[untitledjuan]

I made two maps showing the modern extent of the civilisations that have been announced so far. The first map shows the current national bordrers of the civs today, areas completely represented by the announced cis, and the second map shows some areas where populations that can be considered part of these civilisations live, either for linguistic, cultural or historical reasons, areas in which the announced civs partially represent its population. I hope this helps everybody to visualize how the world is being covered by the currently announced civs, and which areas lack representation. Partial representaion shown in parenthesis.

I apologise in advance if I made any mistakes or misrepresented some areas, it wasn't my intention, and feel free to correct me where I'm wrong.

America: the current borders of the United States of America and its territories.

Brazil: the current borders of the Federative Republic of Brazil (Portugal, because they speak Portuguese, though they should exist as a separate civ).

China: the current borders of the People's Republic of China (Chinese speaking Taiwan (Republic of China) and Singapore).

Egypt: current borders of the Arab Republic of Egypt

England: current borders of the constituent country of England, within the United Kingdom (the rest of the UK and its territories, English speaking areas in Canada, Australia, Ireland, South Africa, and the Caribbean).

France: current borders of the French Republic and its territories (French speaking areas in Quebec, Canada, and elsewhere).

Germany: current borders of Germany (German speaking Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and South Tirol).

India: current borders of the Republi of India (Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan and the Maldives, as all these countries share linguistic, Indo-Iranian and Dravidian languages, and cultural characteristics with India).

Japan: current borders of Japan

Scythia: South Ossetia, a partially recognized state in modern Georgia, and North Ossetia-Alania, a region in modern Russia, the only places where a Scythian language is still spoken (Approximate range where historical tribes of Scythian origin or related to the old Scythians lived). Scythia overlaps large parts of Russia.

Spain: current borders of the Kingdom of Spain and its territories (Spanish speaking areas in Colombia, Argentina, Peru, Chile, Uruguay, Mexico (which can also be represented by the Aztecs) and other Spanish speaking countries in the Americas).

Aztec: current Nahuatl speaking areas in Mexico and Central America (All of Mexico, as the name of Mexico comes from a Nahuatl word, and Civ seems to represent all of Mexico with the Aztecs, though Mexicans are a mix of various groups, not only Aztecs).

Arabia: current borders of nations in the Arabian Peninsula: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Bahrain (Arabic-Speaking areas in Morocco, Mauritania, Algeria, Lybia, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Chad, Iran, Niger, Nigeria, Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia, and all of Iraq, though it overlaps with Sumer in the map.)

Greece: current borders of the Republic of Greece (Cyprus and Greek-speaking areas in Turkey and Albania.)

Kongo: current borders of the Republic of the Congo, of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and of the province of Cabinda (Kongo-speaking areas in Angola and Gabon.)

Norway/Norse/Vikings: current borders of the Kingdom of Norway and it territories (areas where languages derived from Old Norse in Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, Finland and other territories of these nations are spoken.)

Rome: the Roman Empire would actually cover a huge area in Europe, Africa and Asia, but, because there are other in-game civs in most of those places and because Italy isn't in the game, I'm representing Rome as being Italy and Vatican City. The current borders of the Italian Republic and of the Vatican City (other Italian-speaking areas elsewhere.)

Russia: current borders of the Russian Federation (Russian-speaking areas in Belarus, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia and Kazakhstan.) Russia overlaps Scythia a lot, so I kind of tried to represent the areas where both overlap with different shades of colour, sorry for any confusion there.

Sumer: current borders of Iraq (areas in Iraq where ancient Sumerian city-states existed.) This one overlaps with Arabia.

Thanks
Information taken from Ethnologue and Wikipedia.

 

[Scaramanga]

This is pretty great, thanks. Judging by this the Kongo will fill a significant void.

 

[Siptah]

Arabia and Russia will color the map a bit, too.

And thanks for the visualization.

 

[El Castellano]

Egypt: As the leader is Cleopatra, Egypt also represent more territory:

Spoiler :

Germany: As the leader is Frederick Barbarossa, Germany also represent the Holy Roman Empire:

Spoiler :

Spain: As the leader is Felipe II, Spain would also represent Portugal, Naples, Sicily, Sardinia, the Milanese, Belgium and Philippines:

Spoiler :

 

[Scaramanga]

Civ 6 looks very good for True Earth Map, representation wise and gameplay wise. It's going to make Civ 5's earth map look like a track meet.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Civ 6 looks very good for True Earth Map, representation wise and gameplay wise. It's going to make Civ 5's earth map look like a track meet.

You what mate? It's gunna be horrifically imbalanced, just shifting things around a bit from V but keeping that all important lack of balance.

TSL is currently not viable on a global scale because of the Civ representation.

There's a whole other thread on this i recommend you read though

 

[Stringer1313]

Thanks - if you are bored, it'd be great to see a map that assumes all of our predictions about which civs will be in the game are correct (which I'm certain is correct at this point as it hasn't been off one bit).

 

[SMcM]

I made two maps showing the modern extent of the civilisations that have been announced so far. The first map shows the current national bordrers of the civs today, areas completely represented by the announced cis, and the second map shows some areas where populations that can be considered part of these civilisations live, either for linguistic, cultural or historical reasons, areas in which the announced civs partially represent its population. I hope this helps everybody to visualize how the world is being covered by the currently announced civs, and which areas lack representation. Partial representaion shown in parenthesis.

I apologise in advance if I made any mistakes or misrepresented some areas, it wasn't my intention, and feel free to correct me where I'm wrong.

America: the current borders of the United States of America and its territories.

Brazil: the current borders of the Federative Republic of Brazil (Portugal, because they speak Portuguese, though they should exist as a separate civ).

China: the current borders of the People's Republic of China (Chinese speaking Taiwan (Republic of China) and Singapore).

Egypt: current borders of the Arab Republic of Egypt

England: current borders of the constituent country of England, within the United Kingdom (the rest of the UK and its territories, English speaking areas in Canada, Australia, Ireland, South Africa, and the Caribbean).

France: current borders of the French Republic and its territories (French speaking areas in Quebec, Canada, and elsewhere).

Germany: current borders of Germany (German speaking Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and South Tirol).

India: current borders of the Republi of India (Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan and the Maldives, as all these countries share linguistic, Indo-Iranian and Dravidian languages, and cultural characteristics with India).

Japan: current borders of Japan

Scythia: South Ossetia, a partially recognized state in modern Georgia, and North Ossetia-Alania, a region in modern Russia, the only places where a Scythian language is still spoken (Approximate range where historical tribes of Scythian origin or related to the old Scythians lived).

Spain: current borders of the Kingdom of Spain and its territories (Spanish speaking areas in Colombia, Argentina, Peru, Chile, Uruguay, Mexico (which can also be represented by the Aztecs) and other Spanish speaking countries in the Americas).

Aztec: current Nahuatl speaking areas in Mexico and Central America (All of Mexico, as the name of Mexico comes from a Nahuatl word, and Civ seems to represent all of Mexico with the Aztecs, though Mexicans are a mix of various groups, not only Aztecs).

Thanks
Information taken from Ethnologue and Wikipedia.

What is the reason for you not shading large chunks of Australia as English speaking land? Becuase those are largely uninhabited? That is like not shading large parts of the Antartica as part of USA, or large parts of Siberia as part of Russia. These regions may not be that populous, but they do still have inhabitants.

Otherwise, I'm aware there are significant non-English European descended minorities as well as more recent non-English speaking immigrants, and there are even very small numbers which still speak native Australian languages, but I'm fairly sure there is no significant region of Australia where English is not the majority language.

 

[untitledjuan]

Egypt: As the leader is Cleopatra, Egypt also represent more territory:
Germany: As the leader is Frederick Barbarossa, Germany also represent the Holy Roman Empire:
Spain: As the leader is Felipe II, Spain would also represent Portugal, Naples, Sicily, Sardinia, the Milanese, Belgium and Philippines:

I did the two maps based on current borders and on current cultural similarities to the civs shown. That's why Germany isn't the whole HRE, as that would include places like Prague and Amsterdam, which don't speak German and aren't part of Germany in the present. The same happens with Spain and places like Milan.

 

[El Castellano]

I did the two maps based on current borders and on current cultural similarities to the civs shown. That's why Germany isn't the whole HRE, as that would include places like Prague and Amsterdam, which don't speak German and aren't part of Germany in the present. The same happens with Spain and places like Milan.

So if your map is a current linguistic map, you will have forgotten the African countries of Francophone and Anglophone.

English language currently:

Spoiler :

French language currently:

Spoiler :

And in Equatorial Guinea also speak Spanish.

 

[Martinus]

Shouldn't Canada and Australia be added for England?

 

[untitledjuan]

What is the reason for you not shading large chunks of Australia as English speaking land? Becuase those are largely uninhabited? That is like not shading large parts of the Antartica as part of USA, or large parts of Siberia as part of Russia. These regions may not be that populous, but they do still have inhabitants.

Otherwise, I'm aware there are significant non-English European descended minorities as well as more recent non-English speaking immigrants, and there are even very small numbers which still speak native Australian languages, but I'm fairly sure there is no significant region of Australia where English is not the majority language.

I didn't shade some areas of Australia because I wanted to represent the aboriginal or indigenous communities of Australia that don't speak English, which are actually not very numerous, as you mentioned, but also those aboriginal communities that use English, because their languages have been forgotten, but who wouldn't identify themselves as being culturally similar to the English-speaking world, as language wasn't the only aspect I considered. I used these maps (links belowe) as a reason to not shade certain areas of Australia. As the maps seem to be correct in what they show in other areas of the world, I assumed they'd be correct for Australia too.

Maybe Aboriginal Australians currently reside in smaller areas, but that's all the info I could obtain in 30 minutes of free time that I had. This would show that there are Native Australians that are not represented in the game and could have their on in-game civ, something that I neither support nor reject, and which can be discussed.

Also, Antarctica doesn't have a permanent population nor people who are born there, and it is technically not part of any country, so I will not shade Antarctica at all for those reasons (excuse the gray part of Antarctica that's on the maps, that's how it came in the base map I used), and I would shade all of Russia when it is announced, as I represented the current borders of the civ, its owned territory today, and, in a softer shade of the colour, places where people could feel represented by that civ, even if not being de facto part of that civ's borders today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Primary_Human_Language_Families_Map.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Distribution_of_languages_in_the_world
http://www.ethnologue.com/country/AU/maps

 

[untitledjuan]

So if your map is a current linguistic map, you will have forgotten the African countries of Francophone and Anglophone.

I based the maps on linguistic and cultural aspects, and the native language of most of the African nations you mentioned is not French or English, something that is shown in your maps, they are only official languages used by the government of those countries, not as a native language. Also, I assume most people in these African countries have lots of particular cultures with their own languages that aren't related to French or English culture, though perhaps influenced by. That's why Civilization VI needs to have African civs, like Ethiopia, Zulu, Mali or Kongo, in order to represent those particular African cultures.

 

[untitledjuan]

Shouldn't Canada and Australia be added for England?

Yep, I included them in the second map.

 

[demidyad]

What is the reason for you not shading large chunks of Australia as English speaking land? Becuase those are largely uninhabited? That is like not shading large parts of the Antartica as part of USA, or large parts of Siberia as part of Russia. These regions may not be that populous, but they do still have inhabitants.

Inhabitants whose primary language is not English

edit: Also, what? Antarctica as part of the USA? Where did that idea come from?

Spoiler :

 

[nunor]

Brazil: the current borders of the Federative Republic of Brazil (Portugal, because they speak Portuguese, though they should exist as a separate civ).

Well, Brazil was a Portuguese colony, and they speak Portuguese there because of the Portuguese presence, not the other way round. I don't really agree that Brazil represents Portugal in any way. Would you say the US or South Africa represent England?

 

[Matthew.]

Need Russia so we can color half the map :O

 

[cools0812]

the only area that can be considered as where populations that is part of Brazilian colonial civilization live for historical reason, is Uruguay. When Empire of Brazil declared independence from the United Kingdom of Portugal in 1822, Uruguay is a Brazilian province called Cisplatina. However I wouldnt add Cisplatina to the map because obviously Uruguayans speak Spanish.

 

[Ebrim]

I based the maps on linguistic and cultural aspects, and the native language of most of the African nations you mentioned is not French or English, something that is shown in your maps, they are only official languages used by the government of those countries, not as a native language. Also, I assume most people in these African countries have lots of particular cultures with their own languages that aren't related to French or English culture, though perhaps influenced by. That's why Civilization VI needs to have African civs, like Ethiopia, Zulu, Mali or Kongo, in order to represent those particular African cultures.

That's not fully accurate. French is set to be the most spoken language in the world within the next few decades almost entirely due to quickly growing populations in Francophone Africa. It's not just a language of government in many of these countries.

 

[ThisNameIsTooLo]

Need Russia so we can color half the map :O

Of course the only reason it would color half the map is because the OP is using that thrice-damned Robinson projection, which horribly enlarges land near the poles.

Now, if we instead used one of these polyhedral maps...