Civ VI Leader Pass 2

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I wouldn't mind if they called the civ Prussia, instead of Germany, which would open up the door for Maria Theresa and Austria to return. :mischief:
But I don't expect that to happen, nor a separate Prussian civ alongside one called Germany.
I'm still hoping for Bohemia as Civ7's Central European para-HRE civ.

Then you can't have alternate leaders really.
I'm in the "one civ, one leader" camp for Civ7. Civ6's use of alt leaders has been both bizarre and underwhelming, even more so with leaders who lead multiple civs.
 
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I'm still hoping for Bohemia as Civ7's Central European para-HRE civ.
Sorry. Italy would have to be next if Austria doesn't return. :p
Though in reality watch Charlemagne come back and get his own Frankish civ.
 

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I think should be or Prussia or Germany in civ7, not both, to avoid european overrepresentation.

And about Charlemagne, if he become a leader it should replace France and Germany at same time.
 
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It should be Germany, since Prussia is part of the German civilization.

And no, Henri, even if Charlemagne gets added with his own civ it's completely ridiculous to expect two of the most important civilizations of the past thousand years to be removed from the game.
 

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There is no point in putting new leaders, you need better game mechanics and government. I would focus more on civ 7 than on a worn-out civ 6. And outdated
 

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it's completely ridiculous to expect two of the most important civilizations of the past thousand years to be removed from the game.
I don't think is that ridiculous. Would be nice if civ7 don't have this big modern states as USA, UK, France, Germany, Spain and so on...
I think for Europe would be enouth Rome, Greece, some viking state and the Charlemagne empire. In that way it will give room for others wanted civilizations.
 
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I don't think is that ridiculous. Would be nice if civ7 don't have this big modern states as USA, UK, France, Germany, Spain and so on...
I think for Europe would be enouth Rome, Greece, some viking state and the Charlemagne empire. In that way it will give room for others wanted civilizations.
Realistically no one would want to buy that game unless you purposefully make that game go no further than the Middle Ages.

But if you put a modern civ in the game like Haiti and leave out America, England, France, Germany, Spain and even Russia etc. it would be puzzling, to say the least. It's good to have a mixture of both and to have only 4 European civs out of 50 to 60 civs isn't going to work.
 

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only 4 European civs out of 50 to 60 civs isn't going to work.
Okay, I admit 4 is too few to Europe, if we get 60 civs, and we have 4 continents (América, Europe, Africa and Asia)... 60/4=15. So I think Europe should have at maximum 15 civs.

make that game go no further than the Middle Ages.
I don't want that, it can have modern nations. As I sugested in other thread it can have Sovietic Union instead of Russia or Prussia instead of Germany to be different a little.
Maybe just the France should be replaced for Charlemagne empire and it's co-habit this game with Prussia.
And maybe very powerfull empires as United Kingdom or Spain may be hard to replace, but they can be at least out of vanila edition.
 
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I wish if we had another pass, we wouldn't have more English-speaking leaders. I think the game already has enough of them. Also, I would not like us to have only leaders, but also some civilizations.
It would be nice if another pass to be divided by regions to make it easier, as well as adding smaller things:

1. North American Leaders
New Civilization: Navajo or Haudenosaunee
New Leader: Pacal the Great (Maya)
New Wonders: Pyramid of the Sun and Niagara Falls
New Minor Content: Tourist District (new buildings: Casino, Amusement Park and Hotel).

2. South American Leaders
New Civilization: Muisca or Argentina
New Leader: Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazil)
New Wonders: Santuario de Las Lajas and Lençóis Maranhenses
New Minor Content: new City-States.

3. African Leaders
New Civilization: Amazigh
New Leader: Ezana (Ethiopia)
New Wonders: Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion and Okavango Delta
New Minor Content: new Great People.

4. Western European Leaders
New Civilization: Republic of Venice
New Leader: Isabella I of Castile (Spain)
New Wonders: Notre Dame and Neuschwanstein
New Minor Content: two new governors (Spy Master and Navy Commander).

5. Eastern European Leaders
New Civilization: Bulgaria or Romania
New Leader: Ivan the Terrible (Russia)
New Wonders: Malbork Castle and Round Church of Preslav
New Minor Content: new City-States.

6. Middle East Leaders
New Civilization: Assyria
New Leader: Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan (Arabia)
New Wonders: House of Wisdom and Mount Sinai
New Minor Content: new places of worship, new religious units and new beliefs.

7. South and East Asian Leaders
New Civilization: Siam
New Leader: Akbar the Great (India)
New Wonders: Borobudur and Hwangnyong
New Minor Content: new alternative buildings for existing districts (Astronomical Observatory, Circus, Cinema...)

I know it's pretty hard to happen, but I did for fun.
I like this a bit too much... FIRAXIS MAKE THIS HAPPEN
 

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Having Prussia as a separate civilization from Germany would be a completely unnecessary choice, and so would having the Soviet Union as a separate civilization from Russia. Soviet Union is part of the Russian civilization, and Prussia is part of the German civilization.. Even if there was a Soviet leader in the game, they should lead Russia (like Stalin and Lenin did in earlier games), and even if there was a Prussian leader in the game, they should lead Germany (like Frederick did in earlier games).

You keep talking about how you want fewer European civs then you turn around and insist on turning every single European state that ever existed into a civilization, when in fact many if not most of them were already part of a broader civilization.
 

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Instead of creating new leaders it should create new forms of government and politics for example wars should not be fought only for the conquest of territories also to impose governments or kings as in the case of the war of the Austrian or Spanish succession
 

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A pass like that would not sell or even generate much of any hype at all.

And it would require actual programers (who are likely busy programing other more recent or upcoming games) rather than the artists and minimal coding that a leader pass does.
 

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I know I'm the only one clamoring for Louis XIV and Napoléon, but I'm just going to continue shouting into the abyss until I get what I want.

That said, I was disappointed when Beach said there would be no new wonders coming. I don't really understand Ludwig without Neuschwanstein.

And, in my fantasy world, Louis XIV and Napoléon will be delivered with Versailles (loyalty bonus and room for great works of art or artifacts). And, without any real reason, Notre Dame.

One last complaint: I've never understood how the French UU is the garde impériale, and we have no French emperor...
 

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And, without any real reason, Notre Dame.
It's a crime that Civ6 has come to a conclusion without one single gothic cathedral as a wonder.

I know I'm the only one clamoring for Louis XIV and Napoléon, but I'm just going to continue shouting into the abyss until I get what I want.
I would have much rather had Louis XIV than Eleanor as I really don't like the "one leader, two civs" gimmick. And I would have much, much rather had Louis XIV than "Magnificence Catherine."
 

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It's a crime that Civ6 has come to a conclusion without one single gothic cathedral as a wonder.


I would have much rather had Louis XIV than Eleanor as I really don't like the "one leader, two civs" gimmick. And I would have much, much rather had Louis XIV than "Magnificence Catherine."

"Magnificence Catherine" is a clear stand in for a Bourbon king. Literally no one remembers Catherine as a "good time girl."
 

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"Magnificence Catherine" is a clear stand in for a Bourbon king. Literally no one remembers Catherine as a "good time girl."
Of course she is. The black widow's weeds her default persona wears suit her better. I get reskinning CdM was cheaper, but she's a very dissatisfactory "Sun King's understudy."
 

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Of course she is. The black widow's weeds her default persona wears suit her better. I get reskinning CdM was cheaper, but she's a very dissatisfactory "Sun King's understudy."

Also, and importantly, Louis XIV had better hair.
 
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I know I'm the only one clamoring for Louis XIV and Napoléon, but I'm just going to continue shouting into the abyss until I get what I want.
"Magnificence Catherine" is a clear stand in for a Bourbon king. Literally no one remembers Catherine as a "good time girl."
I mean I would have loved him too. But they literally gave Magnificent Catherine the abilities that I would have given him, as you even said.
I think that if we hadn't got a new Catherine persona before the Leaders Pass, they could have used those abilities for him. He would fit in well with the upcoming Great Commanders.

Irregardless, here's hoping he gets in to Civ 7 with the same abilities that she got.

One last complaint: I've never understood how the French UU is the garde impériale, and we have no French emperor...
Because they are supposed to represent Napoleon, without actually having him. Though I said the same thing for the Sea Dog representing Elizabeth, but now we're getting her so who knows about the future?
 

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I mean you still could. But that's a moot point because I don't see them going away from the name Germany. And I especially don't see a separate Prussian civ alongside Germany.
In what way is Austria a stretch in your opinion?
 

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I mean I would have loved him too. But they literally gave Magnificent Catherine the abilities that I would have given him, as you even said.
I think that if we hadn't got a new Catherine persona before the Leaders Pass, they could have used those abilities for him. He would fit in well with the upcoming Great Commanders.

Irregardless, here's hoping he gets in to Civ 7 with the same abilities that she got.


Because they are supposed to represent Napoleon, without actually having him. Though I said the same thing for the Sea Dog representing Elizabeth, but now we're getting her so who knows about the future?

I didn't mean to say I would make Louis XIV exactly like Magnificence Catherine -- in my opinion, she is one of the weaker leaders, and Louis XIV is, to this day, the longest reigning monarch in history.

That said, knowing we aren't getting any new wonders -- meaning no Versailles, Notre Dame, etc., I guess I can wait for Civ VII.
 
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