Civ3 PTW Patch v1.21f Released!

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by warpstorm
All I've got to say about the city lists is BFD. If it really bothers you change them. It's easy to do and take next to no time.

Sure, but isn't that true for the Spanish lists as well?

In the meantime, there are zillions of kids who now think that Salamanca is/was the capital of the Iroquois, etcetera ....

 

[Hygro]

I am having trouble with seeing Salamanca in Spain's territory--it get's confusing.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.

but they still claim the car was invented in the US I bet

I know you are right, the automobile was not invented in the U.S.. I know you've been carrying this crusade since Civ3 came out. Maybe you could convince Firaxis to include the word 'affordable' or 'mass production of' before the word automobile to make it more accurate. The automobile was invented in the 1800's, but was only available to the very wealthy and it would take days or weeks to build one car. It also depends on what the true definition of an automobile is. From Time Almanac:

First with internal combustion engine (250 rpm): 1885, Karl Benz, Germany

First with practical high speed internal combustion engine (900 rpm): 1885, Gottlieb Daimler, Germany

First true automobile (not carriage with motor): 1891 René Panhard, Emile Lavassor, France

Carburetor, spray: 1892, Charles E. Duryea, U.S.

And then Henry Ford in the early 1900's was able to start mass-producing cars to make it affordable to the average person, and this is where people incorrectly think he 'invented' the automobile.

 

[pompeynunn]

Originally posted by YNCS

Yeah. Someone should explain to Firaxis that "The Mumbles" is not an English city but a tiny (less than two square km/one square mile) section of York. It's like having "Times Square" on the American city list.

If Firaxis had wanted to be cute with English city names, they could have used real English towns and villages like Snitterfield (Shakespere's father was born there, if Daddy hadn't moved, the Bard of Avon would have been the Bard of Snitterfield), Middle Wallop, or Great Snoring.

Never seen 'The Mumbles' in a Civ game (never play England personally), but if it is meant to be that area in York, then they even got that wrong, because it is actually called The Shambles.

I suspect The Mumbles is another little Firaxis in-joke - pity they didn't put as much effort into getting a decent game.

 

[Myartar]

Originally posted by warpstorm


Well, if a car company released a buggy product there would be safety concerns and then the government could intervene. Try proving that your Civ3 bugs are a safety concern.

They're a safety concern for all those around me. I tend to go quite crazy when I feel I got a raw deal.

On a different note tho, I'm quite annoyed they haven't changed thier new rule in PTW about the HOF, where only games that haven't had the rules altered appear. I mean, they could include an option in the preferences or something to turn it on or off, but I hate playing without certian modifications, and like to keep track of my scores.

 

[zulu9812]

Originally posted by pompeynunn


Never seen 'The Mumbles' in a Civ game (never play England personally), but if it is meant to be that area in York, then they even got that wrong, because it is actually called The Shambles.

I suspect The Mumbles is another little Firaxis in-joke - pity they didn't put as much effort into getting a decent game.

I asked them that once - apparently it's in Wales. Which pissed me off no end, because it was yet another American thinking all of Britain was England. Thankfully they didn't put any Scots cities on the list, probably because they knew they'd have a mob of angry scotsmen after them...

 

[Hygro]

well zulu, does that make the scottish and welsh barbarian tribes or part of the celts?

 

[anarres]

Originally posted by zulu9812
I asked them that once - apparently it's in Wales. Which pissed me off no end, because it was yet another American thinking all of Britain was England. Thankfully they didn't put any Scots cities on the list, probably because they knew they'd have a mob of angry scotsmen after them...

You are right zulu9812, The Mumbles is a place in Swansea, Wales. It would be like using Canadian names in the USA city list, Or France's cities in Germany's list.

 

[CivAgamemnon]

Originally posted by zulu9812


I asked them that once - apparently it's in Wales. Which pissed me off no end, because it was yet another American thinking all of Britain was England. Thankfully they didn't put any Scots cities on the list, probably because they knew they'd have a mob of angry scotsmen after them...

Please, no flames, ok? I'm American, and I honestly did not know Wales was not a part of England. I merely thought it was like a province, district or state of England... Could someone possibly tell me something about this, please? I know Scotland is a part of the UK, and is not England (I have Scot blood).. But Wales? Can someone please enlighten me?

From an American who wants to learn.

 

[anarres]

DJ54,

The United Kingdom consists of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. I believe they are all countries, although they have all been under English law for some time. Scotland has it's own government now, although it is not fully autonomous (yet), Wales has an assembly, although this is nowhere near autonomous (or even a government), and Northern Ireland did have a government recently, but the English government disbanded it recently due to the breakdown of talks there.

When people talk of the England as the old imperialists, it means exactly that. England (the country) had it's fingers in all the pies, and owned/controlled about 70% of world production about 100 years ago. The UK 'principalities' are still ruled from England, but they are countries in their own right.

FWIW, I have always been a little confused myself

 

[Stapel]

Originally posted by JonathanValjean
I'm sorry that you have to wait a while longer, pboily, however it is logical that Firaxis/Infogrames would release the patch to their largest market first. Hopefully, the remaining wait will not be too extensive for you.

Why why why why?
Are there different versions?????????

 

[Cruise]

Click here for a map
Light parts are England and Northern Ireland. Left of England is Wales, on top Schotland. And left of Wales across the sea is Ireland.
Do not be too ashamed of not knowing where Wales is. Once Charlotte Church sang for GW Bush, he ashed her where she was from, she said Wales. He asked in what state that was.

 

[barron of ideas]

Aren't there some islands like Isle of Mann and maybe some other Channel Islands that are also part of Great Britian but not England, Scotland, Ireland or Wales? Just for completeness. Jersey, Guernsey, some other sites where regulation is less and so companies have ther legal headquarters there.

 

[test_specimen]

It seems like this patch brings WW back to MP game. I have democracy in my current game and suddenly my people don't like me anymore. Since in MP the war starts at about the time you meet the other player there should be an option for that (like the civ spec. abilities button).

The game is playable just like before and seems more stable. Lag might come from somewhere else.

 

[china444]

Yaaaay!
I just got back from NY and saw this.
YES!

 

[Galcador]

Originally posted by DAKjungF
You know, the Vikings founded Jorvik, which today is York.. Thus York shouldn't be on the English list, but on the Viking list as Jorvik... sigh!

Actually, it's probably truest to say that the Romans founded York - Eboracum - though there was no doubt a celtic settlement there before the legions arrived.

barron : You are correct, the UK includes the Channel Islands, Isle of Man, etc.

 

[aga]

Originally posted by DJ54


Please, no flames, ok? I'm American, and I honestly did not know Wales was not a part of England. I merely thought it was like a province, district or state of England... Could someone possibly tell me something about this, please? I know Scotland is a part of the UK, and is not England (I have Scot blood).. But Wales? Can someone please enlighten me?

From an American who wants to learn.

Wonderful, how the virtual 'conquerors of the world' are so concerned about those tiny and neglectable land masses!
Try not to put too much emphasis on names. Do you realise
how many Heidelbergs, Warsaws, Birminghams and Londons there are in the english speaking world ?

All the emigrants of different nations used to name places related to their origins. So they felt a bit more home in the new country.

It is a lot like street names. Why should each city have street names that are unique all over the world ? We would end up with cryptic 64 digit numbers (like IP addresses).

I did also like the remark that the kids would learn false information. Ha, ha! Do you think any kid would beleive the continents are shaped as shown on Civ3 maps ?
Or knights could kill a tank ?
We are still playing games here .

 

[TopCat]

AFAIK
Great Britain = England, Scotland & Wales
United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland = above & N.Ireland
British Isles = All the above + Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Scilly Isles etc. But not sure if N.Ireland

The Northern Ireland Government wasn't suspended due to a breakdown in talks - but because they found evidence of spying in the Sinn Fein (Irish Republican IRA mouthpiece party) office there. I believe Tony Blair & Bertie aherne (SP?) are trying to get it going again.

The Mumbles and the Mumbles lighthouse are on the Gower peninsula just south of Swansea.

Map of the Mumbles

 

[anarres]

TopCat,

That's a very simplified view of politics in Northern Ireland. This is not OT, so I will refrain from responding to it.

I'm pretty sure N.Ireland is not part of the British Isles. It is not a part of Britain, or one of it's Isle's. And sorry for missing the tax-haven's from my definition of the UK earlier.

 

[CivAgamemnon]

Originally posted by anarres
DJ54,

The United Kingdom consists of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. I believe they are all countries, although they have all been under English law for some time. Scotland has it's own government now, although it is not fully autonomous (yet), Wales has an assembly, although this is nowhere near autonomous (or even a government), and Northern Ireland did have a government recently, but the English government disbanded it recently due to the breakdown of talks there.

When people talk of the England as the old imperialists, it means exactly that. England (the country) had it's fingers in all the pies, and owned/controlled about 70% of world production about 100 years ago. The UK 'principalities' are still ruled from England, but they are countries in their own right.

FWIW, I have always been a little confused myself

is right. Thank you for the answers, Anarre. That really does help...

One question, if I may (I realize it's offtopic, sorry).. What's the difference between Ireland and North Ireland? Aren't they both ruled by the UK?