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Civilization elimination thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Bakspatel, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. maurcus

    maurcus Warlord

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    just jumping into this discussion i would also like to note that if you take patronage and spread your religion to a city state you lose no influence per turn at all. as greece that is.
     
  2. PhilBowles

    PhilBowles Deity

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    Yes, this has been covered before. But it looks much better than it is - as I note, if you don't actively cultivate influence, other civs will just outbid you and grab your allies anyway. It's a bit like being tech leader with 60 beakers and assuming that therefore you'll stay tech leader if you stick at 60 beakers for the rest of the game. Since you almost never lose an alliance past the early game from natural influence decay, no loss of influence isn't materially better than halved loss of influence. On top of which it requires a not-typically-useful Enhancer belief, which in turn requires you to focus on getting religion early (AI civs love CSes and like to take that belief), which is a lot more effort than the mediocre benefit is worth. And if you do go for that benefit, you can do it as any other civ with very little loss of effectiveness - yes, you'll still lose some influence, but as I note that's barely noticeable at the best of times.
     
  3. Rooftrellen

    Rooftrellen King

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    Just going to address this part, as I can't really talk much about the other areas. I don't have enough experience with Siam or Greece to really talk about the finer points of better or worse, but in my admittedly limited experience with both, I have found them to be quite strong civs, each in their own right, and I also have found myself playing quite differently.

    However, for myself, I don't know if Greece would be top 10 in something like this. It would probably be close (and I would probably rate Siam higher), but power was one of many aspects brought up in the up and down votes. Again, had it been based only on strongest, Austria should have won by 200.

    I was replying to someone who wanted to know why I felt some civs were limited. I commented on those civs and used as counterexamples a few civs that went out early that I found more flexible (and fun).

    My personal top 10 would probably be:

    Carthage
    Maya
    Byzantium
    Aztecs
    Sweden
    Rome
    Iroquois
    Celts
    Siam
    America

    My tendency to go wide is showing. I'd probably have Greece next in line, with America topping them mostly because 1 extra vision is just so different.

    My top 5 in strength would be as follows:

    Austria
    Arabia
    Persia
    China
    Siam

    Which actually goes back to my first point
    Which was in response to the idea that
    Simply that, all about the fun.
     
  4. maurcus

    maurcus Warlord

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    the thing is if you complete a few quests for the cs and maby a small gift of gold and you can have them at about 150 :c5influence: then you will never lose an alliance.

    but siam also has its perks such as getting bigger benefits from cs so half the time equals the sme amount of time for greece.

    so the real question is more benefits vs. longer time using those benefits.

    also I will use a hipothetical scenario greece has 40 :c5influence: so does siam, it is a food cs, now greeces capital gets 2 :c5food: for 20 turns or siams capital gets 3 :c5food: for 10 turns. that is without any other modifiers.
    in the best scenario however siam would recieve the bonus 3 :c5food: for twenty turns where as greece recieves 2 :c5food: indefinetly.

    I hope I havnt bored you
     
  5. maurcus

    maurcus Warlord

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    ok ill use a hipothetical example both nations have 40 :c5influence: so greece will recieve 2 :c5food: for 20 turns where as siam recieves 3 :c5food: for 10 turns under normal circumstances however under ideal circumstances siam will recieve 3 :c5food: for 20 turns and greece will recieve 2 :c5food: for indefinetly.
     
  6. maurcus

    maurcus Warlord

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    sorry for the double post
     
  7. Seabastian Civ

    Seabastian Civ King

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    What was the final ranking?
     
  8. crawf0rd

    crawf0rd The One and Only

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    1. Korea
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