Civilization III v1.16f Additions/Changes/Fixes
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KALIROB2k2
God of War
Thank god, for once all my air craft will be USEFUL! 
And not just there to be pretty.
And not just there to be pretty.Mike C
Centurion
I also note that many here were disgusted with the total lack of information from Firaxis. For 3 weeks, it appeared we had to use a crane to pry open the cement blocks before they would say uh ya, we know that one exists.
That kind of treatment is unacceptable.
You obviously miss the point. Everyone knows that bugs are out there. It is the SEVERITY of the bugs and the FREQUENCY of the bugs that is the factor. Air Superiority was something that was EASILY caught by players within a week of the release. Are you telling me that Firaxis didn't have the time to test its products for a mere WEEK before releasing it?
If a pipe doesn't have a crack in it 75% of the way through, but sprung a leak in the last quater, YOU would call it broken too. The fundamental fact that you are too stupid to realise is that you cannot get through this game, utilize all the features without running into the bug.
Don't speak to me in your pathetic condesending tone. I probably keep on top of the gaming industry just as well, if not better than you do.
Just as Civ 3 was released broken.
Just because murders occur doesn't mean its ok to pickpocket.
Do not presume to make assumptions on what I know or don't know. I know fully well the state of games that are released. I also know that Civ 3's overall quality IS LOWER than what I have come to expect from games.
Did Starcraft have air units not working? Did Myth have dwarven grenadiers that didn't toss grenades? Did Age of Empires II or any other TOP NOTCH GAME have MISSING FEATURES LIKE THE ONE DOCUMENTED IN CIV 3.
It is not up to you smartass to tell me what I can do or don't do. This isn't your forum. So **** off.
Mike C
Centurion
It is on the shelf except for the odd time my succession game that I joined gets around to me.
Regradless of complexity or the preception of how serious the bug is, this product was not properly tested. The people also did not treat us, in my mind very well, keeping so tight lipped on the subject, reqiring a giant crane just to extract a statement of recogintion of bugs in the game.
That was the worst part of it.
When other companys release games with bugs, they post information up. They tell us what they know. They tell us excatly what is planned in the next patch.
The fact that Firaxis didn't do so in a timely manner is what infuriated me the most about this.
According to a Firaxis reply to my post in another thread Coastal Fortress is NOT broken. It's just that there is a low probability of hits and an even weaker damage.
The damage rating can be upped in the BIC, I plan to fix that tonight; I don't know about the probability of a hit.
I too, have never built a SAM. So, I don't know if that will be fixed or even if it was broken to begin with. The broken Air Sup was enough to make me abandon games after flight was achieved.
costanza
witty and informative
*Ahem*
I can't understand why someone forced me to buy this game, and then forced me to play it hours and hours and hours. Stuff is wrong with it and yet I am forced to keep playing it and keep complaining about everything wrong. I find the only thing more satisfying than playing a game I seem to dislike is using a messageboard to pick at other people who disagree with me.
Synopsis of my day:
-Woke up and ate breakfast; there was a burnt Cheerio. The whole box is obviously ruined. Looking for General Mills's email address.
-Got dressed and went to work. My car rattled on the way over. Can't wait for Honda to provide a patch.
-Had lunch at McDonalds. The meal I ate did *not* look like the one in the commercial. Don't know why they keep quiet about this.
I guess we should all look at Mike's life as a tragedy. Poor, poor mike. Your life has been ruined by some bugs in a game. Your life is so short that to have anything less than perfection is an obvious travesty of your rights. And you know what else? If you don't like the game, stop playing it. If it's broken, go find something else to do. Don't like the other posters here? Then don't listen. Think complaining like a cry-baby will get you anything? Think again.
Can't spell condescending? Well, that's your problem; you're only embarrassing yourself.
I didn't like the bug in Super Mario Bros that made the numbers into symbols when you had so many extra lives. But I didn't whine and cry about it and then try to beg everyone for my attention while I complained. I played the game, even in an imperfect form.
Just out of curiosity, why in the world did you buy the game in the first place? And what in the world do you do when your computer crashes? You got Bill Gates and Michael Dell on speed dial. After all...you are the paying customer. Sounds like your circumstances control you. How sad.
I can't understand why someone forced me to buy this game, and then forced me to play it hours and hours and hours. Stuff is wrong with it and yet I am forced to keep playing it and keep complaining about everything wrong. I find the only thing more satisfying than playing a game I seem to dislike is using a messageboard to pick at other people who disagree with me.
Synopsis of my day:
-Woke up and ate breakfast; there was a burnt Cheerio. The whole box is obviously ruined. Looking for General Mills's email address.
-Got dressed and went to work. My car rattled on the way over. Can't wait for Honda to provide a patch.
-Had lunch at McDonalds. The meal I ate did *not* look like the one in the commercial. Don't know why they keep quiet about this.
I guess we should all look at Mike's life as a tragedy. Poor, poor mike. Your life has been ruined by some bugs in a game. Your life is so short that to have anything less than perfection is an obvious travesty of your rights. And you know what else? If you don't like the game, stop playing it. If it's broken, go find something else to do. Don't like the other posters here? Then don't listen. Think complaining like a cry-baby will get you anything? Think again.
Can't spell condescending? Well, that's your problem; you're only embarrassing yourself.
I didn't like the bug in Super Mario Bros that made the numbers into symbols when you had so many extra lives. But I didn't whine and cry about it and then try to beg everyone for my attention while I complained. I played the game, even in an imperfect form.
Just out of curiosity, why in the world did you buy the game in the first place? And what in the world do you do when your computer crashes? You got Bill Gates and Michael Dell on speed dial. After all...you are the paying customer. Sounds like your circumstances control you. How sad.
Iron Chef
Contrary by Nature
Mike C and Nomad_Wanderer, neither one of you are right since you are each expressing your opinions, not facts. Let's keep the flaming down to a minimum.
My opinion is that the game is not broken, i.e., is unplayable. If you purchase a car and it does not get you from point A to point B, it is broken. If, for some reason, the alarm malfunctions, the radio malfunctions, or something similar, it is still broken, but you can still get from point A to point B. It is not "undrivable" any more than the unpatched version of Civ3 is "unplayable." When we have to take a car back to the dealer for service, do we say "I'm not driving this car until it is fixed! I'm outraged!" Most of us, I would wager, do not.
Now, if we get the car and the radio malfunctions right from the get go, to be sure, we will be unhappy, and well within our rights. And that is much more like what happened here--we got a product that was defective (to a certain extent) to the start. And we're within our rights to be upset (again, to a certain extent).
Now, the car analogy is not a perfect one, because, with a few exceptions (like the radio), a malfunction in a car is much more worrisome than with computer games because of safety concerns, not enjoyment. Can you play the game without air superiority? I've been doing it. Would I like it fixed? Absolutely. Did I continue to play games without it or pout until it was patched? I'll let you guess. Maybe at 27 years old I'm an old guy, but I do recall when there were no faxes, no microwaves, no home computers. I myself often get pissed at minor delays due to the "Now" generation we live in, but reality must also play a part. What are our reasonable expectations? Is it reasonable to expect that a game will come out with no bugs at all? That's a matter of opinion as well, but I would gather that very few people would agree with you on this one (certainly not any programmers!) And, for that matter, it's not like the game is crashing--it's certain features that do not work.
In my opinion, Mike C, your position, that the game is "broken," i.e., "unplayable" is extreme, and I certainly can't agree with it. But you're certainly entitled to it and certainly entitled to post the same.
[Edited for clarity]
FullofHoles
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* Fixed AI bug allowing the user to infinitely postpone invasions by shuffling units around.
Thank god.... I have to admit that I used this a lot, but I hated being allowed to do so.
Thank god.... I have to admit that I used this a lot, but I hated being allowed to do so.
Iron Chef
Contrary by Nature
Didn't include the whole post for space reasons, but that was pretty good, George. Serenity Now!!!
[Stupid typos]
I bought that piece of dung when it hit the shelves and banged my head against it for a month before removing it from my harddrive and throwing it and the strat guide into the trash. It's the only game I've removed without finishing it. I didn't care whether the d*mn patch ever showed. I was sick and tired of that f***ing monkey eating his sh*t
I can at least enjoy Civ through the first 3000 years and gain experience for when the patch does show.
Thanks Firaxis
You cry yourself to sleep a lot, don't you Mike? It is rare that I read such condescending and arrogant posts on these boards, but I have to tell you, you come across as a whiny brat who can't find his pacifier, so you rant like a madman about how bad Civ 3 is, and how evil and unprofessional Firaxis are, and how everyone doesn't seem to understand your many gripes about the game, how people misunderstand and bend your words... Bla bla bla...
Stop crying and play the ****ing game! Remember, this IS a game!
Stop crying and play the ****ing game! Remember, this IS a game!
Iron Chef
Contrary by Nature
Originally posted by Paragon
You cry yourself to sleep a lot, don't you Mike?
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Boy Mike C, you're sure picking up a lot of support on this thread. "Gee, [Mike], and we were going to make you King of the Winter Carnival!. . ."
costanza
witty and informative
Thanks for letting us know.
shirleyrocks
Prince
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Holy classic post!
KALIROB2k2
God of War
God your right that is hilarious, good comparison costanza
shirleyrocks
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Apparently, by pulling units in and out of cities and/or by moving them back and forth between cities which were about to get nailed by an enemy invasion (by sea I think) you could cause the AI to turn his forces around and start heading home...then, moving your forces back would cause the AI to start back towards you, etc etc etc.
That's the way I heard it anyway.
Can we get a moderator to delete or move all these off-topic posts? Including this one? The changes are pretty important and I'd like to get back to talking about that. You should all stop trying to use your keen writing skills to write a better post than the other guy just to prove your point, which I've stopped caring about.
BTW, I really like the idea of having forman units that you could load workers into. This would definately make workers easier to manage. It would also make them worth protecting. You think I get pissed now when the enemy steals my workers, just wait till he steals one of my 5-man worker teams. Oh, that could cost him his entire empire!
Endureth
BTW, I really like the idea of having forman units that you could load workers into. This would definately make workers easier to manage. It would also make them worth protecting. You think I get pissed now when the enemy steals my workers, just wait till he steals one of my 5-man worker teams. Oh, that could cost him his entire empire!
Endureth
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