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Colonialist Legacies: Histories of the New World | Colonial + Pre-Colonial civs

Discussion in 'Civ5 - New Civilizations' started by TPangolin, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. JFD

    JFD Kathigitarkh

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  2. janboruta

    janboruta Artistriarch

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    Ramesses? :p
     
  3. Hoop Thrower

    Hoop Thrower Cyberbolivarian Inkarri

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    OK, OK, no wonder rush focused civ in Colonialist Legacies... geesh.
     
  4. Urdnot_Scott

    Urdnot_Scott Sultan

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    Besides, Zimbabwe didnt really build many wonders. Great Zimbabwe itself was incredible, but there are plenty of civs more rightly revered as monument builders.
     
  5. SuperWaffle247

    SuperWaffle247 Secretary General

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    I actually disagree. Among pre-colonial civs, I'd say they're a really great choice for Wonder building. I think it deserves to be highlighted. The fact that black Africans built Great Zimbabwe was suppressed by colonials because they didn't want people to know that natives could do that.

    While there are certainly more 'wondorous' civs out there, I think we should highlight this aspect of Zimbabwe. It's very cool, and regionally unique.
     
  6. Urdnot_Scott

    Urdnot_Scott Sultan

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    Im not sure i agree with making Zimbabwes focus 'wonders' just because they were better than their contemporaries. Not because i dont think its interesting, just because generally a civ is supposed to embody the things which they historically excelled at. Zimbabwe was better than most countries in terms of her trade links, and sent Portugal packing, which means she was also better than most countries at defensive warfare.

    Id rather focus on the stuff that Zimbabwe did better than anyone, stuff that made her a head and shoulders above the world, not just her neighbours, than focus on her ability to build wonders 'because other Africans didnt do it'.
     
  7. SuperWaffle247

    SuperWaffle247 Secretary General

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    Fair enough, I honestly mostly agree with your perspective, I just don't want to do yet not another CL trade civ.
     
  8. Urdnot_Scott

    Urdnot_Scott Sultan

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    I can sympathise with that. I think a focus on a big, developed capital, not necessairily with wonders. Just lots of buildings and population, perhaps.
     
  9. OrderofOlav

    OrderofOlav King of Procrastination

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    Yeah, what you are describing, that the colonizers discredited the Africans for having made something extraordinary, was quite a common thing.
    Aside from Great Zimbabwe you had for instance the sculptures of Ife and the defensive forts of the Somalians that were also 'supposedly' made by outside forces.

    Spoiler :
     
  10. JFD

    JFD Kathigitarkh

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    I'm sorry, but I have to absolutely, unequivocally disagree. None of which you describe were build by Zimbabweans, nor Ife...ans, nor Somalians. They were clearly built by outside forces.

    Spoiler :



    So Zimbabwe should obviously have a wonder production bonus only when Beyond Earth is running in the background :p
     
  11. OrderofOlav

    OrderofOlav King of Procrastination

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  12. Eli Khaliif

    Eli Khaliif Somali Modder, not Pirate

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    Since everyone changed their icon to a Polandball I decided to join the party, I may live in Canada currently but I represent my native Somalia!
     
  13. TPangolin

    TPangolin Just the worst person

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    Thanks for all the input on Zimbabwe guys. I'll release what I have in few days time.

    For now, let's talk custom achievements! Now that we know that they're possible thanks to Last Sword - let's brainstorm some Custom Achievements for the Colonialist Legacies civs.

    To start us off:

    He's gone walkabout

    As Australia, set any unit to automate exploration.

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    Put another shrimp on the barbie

    As Australia, connect 3 Sea Resources in a single game.

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    Good Morning Vietnam!

    Expend a Great Person in a Golden Age as Vietnam.

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    ¿Dónde está la biblioteca?

    As Mexico, build a Library in a city with Walls.
     
  14. TheLohoped

    TheLohoped Known today as TLPD-AVW

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    Orange Free State - As the Boers, pillage Citrus plantation.
     
  15. Eli Khaliif

    Eli Khaliif Somali Modder, not Pirate

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    Lion of the Desert-
    Beat a game under any difficulty as Omar Mukhtar
    The Bane of the Man Who Would Be King-
    Beat a game under any difficulty as Mirwais Hotaki
    Invictus-
    Beat a game under any difficulty as Nelson Mandela
     
  16. GPuzzle

    GPuzzle Available in wax cylinder!

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    Sorry!

    As Canada, denounce a Civ you had a DoF with beforehand.

    Congress of the Non-Hated Nations

    As Canada, be the only Civ in the game that isn't denounced during a World Congress vote.

    No, You Run to the Hills!

    As the Cree, capture an English or French city.

    The Bigger the Empire, the Harder the Fall

    As Afghanistan, capture the capital of a Civ that is following Order and the capital of a Civ that is following Freedom before gaining an Ideology.

    Star Trek

    As the Boers, win a Space Victory before 1966.

    El Chavo del Ocho

    As Mexico, fill 8 Walls with Great Works in a single playthrough.

    Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo

    As the Crowfoot, have a Buffalo resource kill an invading enemy unit.

    Finger-Pulling Competition!

    As the Dene, win the International Games.

    Leche or Puto?

    As Mexico or Phillipines, declare war on the other.

    You Better Run, You Better Take Cover!

    As Australia, do a Concert Tour on a Civilization you have declared war on.

    Fun fact: nearly every name of the achievements is a reference to something: 2 to Polandball comics, one to a Mexican sitcom that is extremely popular in Latin America, and one to a British podcast called "The Technical Difficulties".
     
  17. einayim

    einayim Warlord

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    The (Second) Most Dangerous Game:
    As Crowfoot, kill an enemy unit through bison attrition damage.

    Gotta Catch 'em All
    As Poundmaker, found at least one city of each Cree nation.
     
  18. Eli Khaliif

    Eli Khaliif Somali Modder, not Pirate

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    Legacy of the Kafirs
    As Mirwais Hotaki keep your pantheon belief as the most popular religion up until the Industrial era.
     
  19. TPangolin

    TPangolin Just the worst person

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    These are amazing! I may have to dumb some of them down, but please keep them coming. Having a hearty laugh over here :D
     
  20. hangman

    hangman almost-scientist

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    Canadian Mosaic (Canada): Capture a worker from every nation on the map.
    The Other Allah (Afghanistan): Found Zoroastrianism and choose 'Mosques' and 'Holy Warriors' as beliefs.
    Land Down Under (Australia): Win with cities only in the Southern Hemisphere.
    Mayincatec (Zapotec): Capture cities from the Maya, Inca, and Aztecs in the same game.
     

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