Discussion in 'Civ5 - New Civilizations' started by TPangolin, Oct 23, 2013.
OK, OK, no wonder rush focused civ in Colonialist Legacies... geesh.
Besides, Zimbabwe didnt really build many wonders. Great Zimbabwe itself was incredible, but there are plenty of civs more rightly revered as monument builders.
I actually disagree. Among pre-colonial civs, I'd say they're a really great choice for Wonder building. I think it deserves to be highlighted. The fact that black Africans built Great Zimbabwe was suppressed by colonials because they didn't want people to know that natives could do that.
While there are certainly more 'wondorous' civs out there, I think we should highlight this aspect of Zimbabwe. It's very cool, and regionally unique.
Im not sure i agree with making Zimbabwes focus 'wonders' just because they were better than their contemporaries. Not because i dont think its interesting, just because generally a civ is supposed to embody the things which they historically excelled at. Zimbabwe was better than most countries in terms of her trade links, and sent Portugal packing, which means she was also better than most countries at defensive warfare.
Id rather focus on the stuff that Zimbabwe did better than anyone, stuff that made her a head and shoulders above the world, not just her neighbours, than focus on her ability to build wonders 'because other Africans didnt do it'.
Fair enough, I honestly mostly agree with your perspective, I just don't want to do yet not another CL trade civ.
I can sympathise with that. I think a focus on a big, developed capital, not necessairily with wonders. Just lots of buildings and population, perhaps.
Yeah, what you are describing, that the colonizers discredited the Africans for having made something extraordinary, was quite a common thing.
Aside from Great Zimbabwe you had for instance the sculptures of Ife and the defensive forts of the Somalians that were also 'supposedly' made by outside forces.
I'm sorry, but I have to absolutely, unequivocally disagree. None of which you describe were build by Zimbabweans, nor Ife...ans, nor Somalians. They were clearly built by outside forces.
So Zimbabwe should obviously have a wonder production bonus only when Beyond Earth is running in the background
They actually considered the sculptures might've been remains of the lost empire of Atlantis!
Since everyone changed their icon to a Polandball I decided to join the party, I may live in Canada currently but I represent my native Somalia!
Thanks for all the input on Zimbabwe guys. I'll release what I have in few days time.
For now, let's talk custom achievements! Now that we know that they're possible thanks to Last Sword - let's brainstorm some Custom Achievements for the Colonialist Legacies civs.
To start us off:
He's gone walkabout
As Australia, set any unit to automate exploration.
Put another shrimp on the barbie
As Australia, connect 3 Sea Resources in a single game.
Good Morning Vietnam!
Expend a Great Person in a Golden Age as Vietnam.
¿Dónde está la biblioteca?
As Mexico, build a Library in a city with Walls.
Orange Free State - As the Boers, pillage Citrus plantation.
Lion of the Desert-
Beat a game under any difficulty as Omar Mukhtar
The Bane of the Man Who Would Be King-
Beat a game under any difficulty as Mirwais Hotaki
Beat a game under any difficulty as Nelson Mandela
As Canada, denounce a Civ you had a DoF with beforehand.
Congress of the Non-Hated Nations
As Canada, be the only Civ in the game that isn't denounced during a World Congress vote.
No, You Run to the Hills!
As the Cree, capture an English or French city.
The Bigger the Empire, the Harder the Fall
As Afghanistan, capture the capital of a Civ that is following Order and the capital of a Civ that is following Freedom before gaining an Ideology.
As the Boers, win a Space Victory before 1966.
El Chavo del Ocho
As Mexico, fill 8 Walls with Great Works in a single playthrough.
Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo
As the Crowfoot, have a Buffalo resource kill an invading enemy unit.
As the Dene, win the International Games.
Leche or Puto?
As Mexico or Phillipines, declare war on the other.
You Better Run, You Better Take Cover!
As Australia, do a Concert Tour on a Civilization you have declared war on.
Fun fact: nearly every name of the achievements is a reference to something: 2 to Polandball comics, one to a Mexican sitcom that is extremely popular in Latin America, and one to a British podcast called "The Technical Difficulties".
The (Second) Most Dangerous Game:
As Crowfoot, kill an enemy unit through bison attrition damage.
Gotta Catch 'em All
As Poundmaker, found at least one city of each Cree nation.
Legacy of the Kafirs
As Mirwais Hotaki keep your pantheon belief as the most popular religion up until the Industrial era.
These are amazing! I may have to dumb some of them down, but please keep them coming. Having a hearty laugh over here
Canadian Mosaic (Canada): Capture a worker from every nation on the map.
The Other Allah (Afghanistan): Found Zoroastrianism and choose 'Mosques' and 'Holy Warriors' as beliefs.
Land Down Under (Australia): Win with cities only in the Southern Hemisphere.
Mayincatec (Zapotec): Capture cities from the Maya, Inca, and Aztecs in the same game.
Separate names with a comma.