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Coming from Civ IV...

Discussion in 'Civ3 - General Discussions' started by juanbobo, Oct 19, 2012.

  1. juanbobo

    juanbobo Warlord

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    I am not new to Civ, but am mostly familiar with IV and have started playing III for the first time recently. I know some of the core differences in gameplay (no religion, no corporations, corruption/waste), but how do these and the other differences in the game affect general strategy? What are some lesser known differences worth noting?
     
  2. Ataxerxes

    Ataxerxes Deity

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    Welcome to Civ3!:band: Here are some differences off the top of my head. I like both games. It's a little long so I spoilered it.

    Spoiler :
    You generally want to space your cities closer together than in IV. Most players go with the CxxxC or CxxC so almost every city will have overlap.

    More cities are always better. A garbage city in the tundra you wouldn't want in CivIV due to maintenance becomes worth it in III.

    I almost always open borders in CivIV, virtually never give ROP's in Civ3. With units not being kicked out when war is declared, the AI can strike at a city deep in your territory.

    In a Republic you don't need a Warrior in a city for happiness. Due to ROP-rape most players don't recommend right of passage if you're a Republic.

    Railroads give a food bunus to an irrigated squre an additional shield to a mine anywhere so Steam Power is a priority tech.

    Unsolicited gifts give generous diplo bonus - +10 for 100 gold. It expires fast however.
    UN election - every Civ has one vote. SOP is to build the UN and then give a couple hundred gold or a tech to every other Civ so they like you.

    When you get large, forget about 1 for 1 luxury trade. AI will want a lot to give you a luxury if you're larger than they are.

    For totally corrupt cities just hire a couple of scientists and irrigate everything. Forget about shields.

    All Civs get one golden age from building corresponding wonders or having the UU win a battle.

    Getting out of Despotism is vital. Since there are no true "worker techs" most players research straight for Monarchy or Republic (Despotism is horrible civic). Republic "Slingshot" using free tech from Philosophy is popular.

    I find it more of a war game than IV.

    Although horizontal research is still good, it's limited somewhat because all mandatory techs have to be researched before you can research techs in the next era.

    Tech trading is available from turn 1 and AI will almost always trade techs - so find the neighbors fast to trade for basic techs at start.


    I'm sure I forgot some things. A lot is the same, such as building enough workers and expanding enough (you expand more frenetically than in IV in the early game).

    The rough guideline is to irrigate brown (plains) and mine green (grasslands). Mines can be built almost anywhere.
     
  3. juanbobo

    juanbobo Warlord

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    Wow ataxerxes, thanks for the long response! Despite the two games being virtually the same on the surface it seems they're really played completely differently. I will take these things into consideration, thank you ;)
     
  4. Quintillus

    Quintillus Archiving Civ3 Content Supporter

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    Ataxerxes has a good list. A few others things (with a bit of a military focus here):

    - Roads give you the commerce bonus in Civ3, so build them everywhere that's being worked.

    - Railroads' infinite movement means that you have to be a little bit more careful with border defences once your rivals have them - if your cities are too sparsely defended, they could potentially strike quite deep into your territory in one turn with Cavalry.

    - In general, the offensive is a bit more powerful in Civ3 than in Civ4. In Civ4, the defender always gets the ideal counter unit from their stack to fight (ex. attack with a Knight, the Pikeman fights). In Civ3, there's no bonuses against certain types of units, resulting in the offence doing a bit better. The big exception is the Great War era, where defensive Infantry dominate.

    - Artillery works differently in Civ4 (and I think, better). They bombard from a distance, and don't suicidally charge all by themselves. They can also be captured if inadequately defended.

    - Similarly, while artillery can be a big help, especially at higher difficulties, you don't need artillery to take cities like you often do in Civ4. Throwing in a few extra Swordsmen or Knights if the city is on a hill will also suffice for taking it - you just might lose a few of them. (This becomes less true once your enemies reach the Industrial Age and size 13+ cities)

    - Bombers are a lot more versatile in Civ3. They can bombard buildings in cities, destroying them as well as the population. More importantly, they can also bombard tile improvements, including roads. This is especially potent in Conquests/Complete (and maybe PTW), where craters are created once all improvements are destroyed (these reduce the tile's production to below its base value). Capital ships and artillery are similarly able to bombard tile improvements, but of course at lesser range.

    - Cavalry (and later, tanks) can withdraw on the defensive as well as the offensive. This can make it a bit more difficult to fight a cavalry-fielding foe.

    I think that covers the primary wartime differences. Hopefully that will help win some wars!
     

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