CONE1-diety 5CC modified

The more I look at the map, the more I wonder why we don't take on England next. With Spain as ally (giving ROP), we could go for the western cities with our main force while defending against any English counterattacks.

Once the west is ours, move our attack force to take the smaller English cities (let Spain hammer on the English core). Once that war is over and England is gone, we should be able to take those once English cities away from Spain.

One other thing, in looking at the map, we control very few tiles that might contain oil (desert & tundra). Not having any available oil would put a crimp in any long term military conquest ideas.
 
whatever we do, we need to do it now. somehow, we gotta catch china and we won't do it with the number of cities we now have.

@cone: love to play and your thread looks interesting but i'm swamped so i'll have to pass for now :) good luck, i'll definitely be lurking
 
conehead, I'm in 6-7 SG's atm and haven't even started middle ages of GOTM plus school starts next week again, so I have to regretfully say no this time. I will follow it on the sideline though, it looks fun.
 
OK - I got it - I'm up in 2 so this might not be done until tomorrow - I'll look over the map and situation at lunch and post plans for my turn set.
 
After a quick look around on this map (no game access), I realize I need to know what's going on with Spain and England before setting up a plan. What I'm hoping for is an England vs Spain war.

If that's going on, what I'll try to do is reinforce the northern border, declare war on England and take those 4 western English cities. Then send my troops to try for the fringe English cities while Spain hammers on the English core. Once I've taken the English fringe, I'll try for peace and to get a couple of techs in the process. Then with some luck its move the troops south for a little Spanish cooking. I probably won't have enough turns to do more than set up the next guy, but it would be nice to take a couple of Spanish cities (those in the desert) so we get a better shot at getting oil once refining is available.

Of course this could all go out the window if Spain & England are at peace or if the English have Infantry available. Spain is still researching Nationalism if I remember correctly, so the Spanish part might still work.

As for China and the other island....
 
I didn't get to this until late so only 5 turns in the can (Hollywood lingo for complete).

The Good News:

We now have 4 new cites in the west (ex-English) for the loss of a couple of Immortals (it was a race with Spain to see who'd get them first).
We now have Scientific Method & Replaceable Parts (but the bank is a much smaller).
We have an extra source of rubber that will be quite valuable (China doesn't have 1).
Our Warrior in the far north have defeated 2 attacking cavalry units so far (1 died & 1 retreated).

The Bad News:

The upcoming battles are going to be bloody. The next English cities are all size 12 and she had Replacable Parts=Infantry
China has started Hoover Dam
A couple people are up Atomic Theory & The Corporation (and more)

Plans:

Thinking about trading for Communism and the Espionage. Planting spies and stealing tech might be cheaper that trading for it and the AI won't get our gold that way.

Regroup the Cavalry (we're kind of spread out) - upgrade cannons to artillery when cash available and build some new artillery. Play defense at the front and let Spain take a whack at England for a while.
 
sounds like things are going well :)
cavalry + arty is very lethal so this sounds like a good idea. i did this in GoTM 25 with very good results. Even if the infantry only get down to strength 2, the cav can handle them with thier retreat ability. however, we'll need about 8-10 cav per city so expect slow going.
how much is China willing to give us for rubber? is anyone else willing to give a tec for it? might be the best idea now to recoup some money so we can rush arty or get closer to electronics. do we have a hoover prebuild going? will england offer us anything useful for peace?
 
THE SAVE

Turn Log 5

Turn 0 – 920 AD – Reset personal preferences – Trade Coal + 47gpt + 14g to Spain for Scientific Method + Alliance vs England and ROP – War is declared on England – Attack in English troops – Vet Cavalry (3/4) defeats Vet Cavalry – Vet Cavalry (3/4) defeats Vet Cavalry – Vet Cavalry loses to Vet Cavalry (3/4) – Vet Cavalry (1/4) defeats Vet Cavalry – Vet Cavalry (4/4) defeats Vet Cavalry – Vet Cav (1/4) retreats from Reg Pike – Cannons go 2/3 vs Reg Pike – Vet Cav (4/4) kills Vet MDI – Twingo (Elite Knight) (3/5) kills Wounded Pike and Achemenies is born – Trade Scientific Method + Saltpeter + 5gpt to Aztecs for Communism – Trade Scientific Method to Arabs for 141g + WM – Gift Scientific Method to Egypt

IBT: Watch Spain kill a couple of English units including a Great Leader – Watch England kill a couple of Spanish units and shell our coastline a couple of times – Palace Expansion we get a right wing – China starts Hoover Dam

Turn 1 – 930 AD – Assault on Manchester:
Vet Cavalry (1/4) retreats from Vet Rifle (2/4)
Vet Cavalry (1/4) kills wounded Vet Rifle
Vet Cavalry (1/4) kills Elite Knight
Vet Cavalry (2/4) kills Vet MDI
Vet Cavalry (1/4) kills Reg Spear
Vet Cavalry (2/4) kills Reg Spear
Vet Cavalry (4/4) kills Reg LB and Manchester is ours

Check around and WM nets 3g – Egypt, Aztecs & Arabs are broke. Only China is ahead on tech (up Atomic Theory & Replaceable Parts at least)

IBT: Spain cleans up the wounded English units in the Manchester area – England & Arabs sign Embargo against us – Vet Immortal (1/4) defends against LB – Reg Warrior (2/3) in Birmingham retreats a Reg Cavalry (1/3) - Vet Rifle (3/4) in Oxford forces retreat of Vet Cavalry (1/4)

2 – 940 AD – Oxford defense – Vet Cavalry (2/4) kills wounded Cavalry – Assault on Bristol:
Vet Cavalry captures a slave
Vet Cavalry (3/4) kills Reg Spear
Vet Cavalry loses to Reg Spear (3/4) who promotes
Vet Cavalry (1/4) retreats from Vet Spear (2/4)
Vet Cavalry (3/4) kills Wounded Spear
Vet Cavalry (4/4) kills Reg LB and sinks MOW and Bristol is ours

Assault on Carlisle:
Vet Immortal (2/4) kills Reg Pike
Vet Immortal (1/4) kills Reg Pike and Carlisle is ours

Upgrade 2 spearmen to rifles – No trades available – Need 10% lux due to War Weariness

IBT: Aztecs declare war on China – Lots of Spanish troops heading for xxx (I’ll get there first) – Warrior (1/3) in Birmingham defeats Reg Cavalry - Vet Rifle (4/4) in Oxford retreats a Reg Cav (1/3) – Babylon barracks->rifle – Pasagarde factory->Military Academy – Zariquim rifle->cannon

3 – 950 AD – Battle for Lancaster:
Vet Cavalry (2/4) kills Reg Pike
Vet Cavalry (4/5) kills Reg Spear and promotes
Vet Cavalry (3/4) kills Reg LB and Lancaster with 2 slaves is ours

Cleanup Vet Cavalry (4/4) kills Wounded Cavalry at Oxford – No trades available

IBT: Spanish troops heading north to England – Warrior loses defending Birmingham and England takes the city – Nineveh barracks->rifleman – Samarra barracks->cannon – Manchester riots (oops)
4 – 960 AD Move troops for assault on York (horses & silks) – lots now have replaceable parts – Susa cavalry->cavalry

IBT: Spanish lose 4-5 cavalry attacking Nottingham - Single English Cavalry lands by Exeter

970 AD – Defense of Oxford: Cavalry (3/4) defeats Reg Cavalry – Upgrade a pair of knights to cavalry – Trade WM + 89gpt + 492g to China for Replaceable Parts – Trade Rubber to China for 240g + 27gpt – Upgrade 3 cannon to artillery

IBT: Warrior (1/3) defends Exeter against Reg Cavalry – A couple cavalry die on each side – Canterbury cavalry->artillery – Eridu cavalry->artillery -

6 – 980 AD – Artillery red-lines a MOW shelling our coast – More cavalry arrives for move on York – No trades available – Thinking about using GL for Universal Suffrage

IBT: Spain & China sign against Aztecs – Lots of Spanish troops in England – England with minor counterattacks – Zamora courthouse->artillery – Lost spices deal

7 – 990 AD – Troops move into English lands – lux rate to 20%

IBT: China & Egypt sign up against Aztecs – A couple of English Cav die and so do some Spanish Conquistadors – Persepolis factory->artillery – Uruk riots – Palace Expansion a left wing

8 – 1000 AD –
Defense of Leeds: Army (4/12) kills Elite Cavalry
Assault on York
Artillery destroys barracks in 3 shots
Vet Cavalry (1/4) retreats from Reg Infantry (1/3
Vet Cavalry (3/4) kills Conscript Infantry
Vet Cavalry loses to Conscript Infantry (3/3) who promotes
Vet Cavalry (1/4) kills Reg Infantry
Vet Cavalry loses to Reg Infantry (2/4) who promotes
Vet Cavalry (1/4) kills Vet Infantry
Vet Cavalry (2/4) kills Elite Cavalry
Vet Cavalry losses to Vet Cavalry (2/4)
Vet Cavalry losses to Vet Cavalry (2/5) who promotes
Vet Cavalry (3/4) kills Elite Cavalry and York with 3 slaves is ours

Trade silks to Spain for 275g + WM – Trade silks + WM + 207g to Aztecs for Spices – Decide I’ve waited long enough and rush Universal Suffrage with Achaemenies – Upgrade 3 rifles to Infantry on the border

IBT: Lost Ivory deal – ROP and Ivory deal with China end unable to renew – Elite Cavalry (2/5) defends York against Vet Cavalry – Persepolis builds Universal Suffrage – Babylon rifle->infantry – York riots – Military Academy built in Pasagarde (starts army) – Warwick cavalry->cavalry – Richmond cavalry-cavalry – China starts Hoover (again)

Turn 9 – 1010 AD – Assault on Nottingham:
Vet Cavalry (1/4) retreats from Elite Infantry (3/5)
Vet Cavalry (1/4) retreats from Elite Infantry (2/5)
Vet Cavalry losses to Elite Infantry (1/5)
Vet Cavalry losses to Conscript Infantry (1/2) who promotes
Vet Cavalry losses to Elite Infantry (1/5)
Vet Cavalry (3/4) kills Elite Infantry
Vet Cavalry (3/4) kills Conscript Infantry and Nottingham is ours
Clean up Vet Cavalry (4/4) kills wounded Cavalry
Trade Silks + WM to China for Ivory + 12g

IBT: Spain & England sign peace (well at least we get our money back) – 2 Vet Cavalry lose defending Nottingham – Ur barracks->infantry – Susa Cavalry->infantry – Arbela cavalry->infantry

Turn 10 - 1020 AD – Assault on Dover (then peace):
Path to Dover is railed
Immortal (3/4) retreats Vet Cavalry (1/4)
Immortal (3/4) kills Vet Cavalry
Artillery kill a citizen and destroy the barracks
Vet Cavalry (1/4) retreats from Elite Infantry (4/5)
Vet Cavalry (1/4) retreats from Elite Infantry (2/5)
Vet Cavalry losses to Elite Infantry (1/5)
Vet Cavalry (1/4) retreats from Conscript Infantry (2/2)
Vet Cavalry (1/4) retreats from Conscript Infantry (2/2)
Vet Cavalry losses to Conscript Infantry (1/2)
Vet Cavalry losses to Elite Infantry (1/5)
Vet Cavalry (2/4) kills Elite Infantry
Elite Cavalry (2/5) kills Conscript Infantry
Elite Cavalry (4/5) kills Reg LB and Dover is ours with a catapult

Cleanup around Dover: Vet Immortal (4/4) kills a redlined Cavalry

Time for peace with England: We get Birmingham + 12g + 4gpt + WM
Trade dyes to Aztecs for 209g + WM – Trade Coal + 23gpt + 295g to Spain for The Corporation

The last 2 turns were played a little late (early??), so the brain wasn't all attached but it seemed to turn out ok. Sorry about no pictures.

I left us at peace with everyone and even or ahead on tech with all except China (up Atomic Theory, Electronics & Refining and maybe Radio). We are broke at this point but a couple of out going gpt deals will be ending soon and we can fire some clowns now that the war is over (left that for the next player). I didn't realize it was turn 10 when I made those deals (need sleep), my apologies to the next player. Also, I'm afraid I left a lot of MM'ing to be done. Pasagarde will be able to build an Army every 7-8 turns and when we get the fourth one started, we should get a pre-build for the Pentagon. Cavalry or Infantry armies with artillery support will be needed to finish England and to take the larger Spanish cities. I was disappointed we had so few rubber spots, considering how much jungle we had. We'll need to be ready to move on Spain when the deals are up to grab those desert cities in case that's the nearest oil. It's not as hopeless as I thought it might be. We are in third behind Spain & Aztec and just ahead of China (we passed them last turn). We've got the most land and are 2nd or 3rd in the other important catagories.


Time for :sleep:
 
nice turns, denyd :) i'll get to it tonight or tomorrow night.

denyd's additions:
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INteresting... we're in the IA, but Spain still is using pikes? Or are my eyes kidding me? :hmm:
 
Spain must have sent 20 MDI, 10+LB & 10-15 Pike into England when the war began. I let them use up a lot of their offensive force on Nottingham before I attacked.

All of the border English towns are size 12 and have at least 1-2 Infantry. We'll have 3 Cavalry Armies in the field when our current deals end and with sufficient artillery support, they should fall with ease. Once England is gone, those troops should be able to take a good chunk of Spain (we are weak vs Spain in millitary)

I'm feel like we've got a chance in this one. China is in a war over on the other island, which should slow down the tech pace. We'll never be able to out research the AI, but with espionage and a productive core, we should be able to steal our way to parity. We will need to be careful on who builds the UN, as we could never win a vote, but space still a viable win condition.

BTW: China is sitting with over 6,000 gold.
 
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