Continent of remaining Civ?
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Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
If we only put Super-powers in the game. That means mainly European countries, America, Mongols, Ottomans, Persians, Arabs and maybe Japan, China and the Inca are in.
Aztec, Iroquois, Polynesia, Denmark (unless you count Greenland), Egypt, Songhai, Siam, India, Korea, Babylon are out
Celts, Zulus, Ethiopia, Carthage wouldn't get in
Aztec, Iroquois, Polynesia, Denmark (unless you count Greenland), Egypt, Songhai, Siam, India, Korea, Babylon are out
Celts, Zulus, Ethiopia, Carthage wouldn't get in
Don't forget Romans would definitely be in, as well as Russia.
The key for Civ5 civilizations is diversity and global coverage. It doesn't matter that Polynesia had small populations, it was from a part of the world that had not been covered before and that's cool. Still don't see any need for another African civ. South America, yes, and perhaps the Sioux or the Inuits.
The key for Civ5 civilizations is diversity and global coverage. It doesn't matter that Polynesia had small populations, it was from a part of the world that had not been covered before and that's cool. Still don't see any need for another African civ. South America, yes, and perhaps the Sioux or the Inuits.
bonafide11
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If we only put super-powers in, the game would probably consist of only 10 civilizations or so. But my point was that for a modern nation like the U.S. or Brazil to get in, it should be a superpower and have made a major impact on world affairs since its inception. The U.S. is a superpower and deserves in, Brazil is not and does not deserve in. I'm honestly surprised so many people outside of Brazil are arguing for their inclusion. If they added another civilization from South America, I'd want a historical one and not a current one.
But, of course, I still would much prefer an additional African civilization.
But, of course, I still would much prefer an additional African civilization.
Fabiano79
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People are being too generous with the super power definition...
If korea is a super power becuase manchuria and songhai because west africa, them Brazil is too a super power. Brazil has conquered, negociated or defended more than 50% of S. America for more than 300 years already.
I dont defend that Brazil is a super power, but I think some of you are changing arguments just to deny Brazil acess to the game. The same people who are now defending that civs need to be "historic relevant", not long ago said that the important thing was the unique gameply or the geographic representation.
A friend of mine just noted a interesting fact, that from the top ten economies of the world from the last 30 years, only Brazil is not in the game. Dont matter if they are modern (USA) or very ancient (China), they are all already on CiV.
If korea is a super power becuase manchuria and songhai because west africa, them Brazil is too a super power. Brazil has conquered, negociated or defended more than 50% of S. America for more than 300 years already.
I dont defend that Brazil is a super power, but I think some of you are changing arguments just to deny Brazil acess to the game. The same people who are now defending that civs need to be "historic relevant", not long ago said that the important thing was the unique gameply or the geographic representation.
A friend of mine just noted a interesting fact, that from the top ten economies of the world from the last 30 years, only Brazil is not in the game. Dont matter if they are modern (USA) or very ancient (China), they are all already on CiV.
bonafide11
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You want another North American civ over another African civ?
There are already 3 North American civs, while Africa has only 4, and 2 of them are generally considered more Mediterranean civs than African civs. Africa has about three times the population and a much longer and storied history than North America. I think Africa is most deserving, then South America (but please not Brazil!), then perhaps Asia (though I don't see that as necessary as most people here since Asia is already well represented). If they're going to go up to 40 civs, then I'd be fine with another North (Native) American civ, but there's too many more necessary ones in my opinion.
bonafide11
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Maybe for other people, but not me... I have always said I want historic relevance rather than putting modern nations in, I want a geographically and culturally diverse game, and i want unique gameplay. So I would be fine with putting another South American civ in, but I want a historical one and not a modern nation that has never been a superpower.
Brazil is a super power? Really? From reading it seems like it could be a super power, but in CiV whatever civ your playing it can become a super power in the game. I did read Brazil was friends with Iran, but that has cooled, something about Iran's atrocities did not go over so well with Brazil. There was something on TV I saw recently speculating that some South American country was aiming a new missile system aginst the southern US. Was that Brazil? What type of government does Brazil have? I have not studied up on them in quite awhile.
Beside overcoming UK recently on Brazil and having the 6th biggest GDP,they have the 5th largest population and the 5th biggest country . I consider Brazil as a Superpower already . The only problem is that the Superpower definition also includes military power and historically,Brazil doesn't seek to get a huge army,unlike USA(they could even built Nukes if they wished to do so) .
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
The problem with Minoans is that we never translated their language (it might not even be related to Greek). Hittites and Sumerians could work but will have very short sentences. Parthia would end up speaking Persian. Thrace's language left little records.
Fabiano79
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Nokmirt, Brazil is not a super power.
Brazil had a diferent position about Iran that the one defended by USA, I wouldnt say that was a friendly position, only that was one open to diplomacy. USA is all about economic pressure, and the governement of Brazil knows that this kind of pressure only makes things worse for the iranian population.
Theres right now in S. America a process of militarization. Because of many factores:
Argentina is getting weapons because of the Falklands/Malvinas question.
Venezuela is buying tanks and jets from Russia because they are cheap and Chaves loves to show power.
Colombia is getting weapons because of the FARC and because of Chaves.
Brazil is buying tanks and jets because since the military governement on the 1970s, the army was forgotten. Brazil army right now is obsolete and need to modernize.
Brazil had a diferent position about Iran that the one defended by USA, I wouldnt say that was a friendly position, only that was one open to diplomacy. USA is all about economic pressure, and the governement of Brazil knows that this kind of pressure only makes things worse for the iranian population.
Theres right now in S. America a process of militarization. Because of many factores:
Argentina is getting weapons because of the Falklands/Malvinas question.
Venezuela is buying tanks and jets from Russia because they are cheap and Chaves loves to show power.
Colombia is getting weapons because of the FARC and because of Chaves.
Brazil is buying tanks and jets because since the military governement on the 1970s, the army was forgotten. Brazil army right now is obsolete and need to modernize.
Radu_Magus
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The fact is that, besides the Incans, there was no other remarkable civilization in South America. If they decide to include another civ from there, the only reasonable option will be Brazil.
So the US is safe for now I take it huh? Well we'll be waiting when they want to come knocking on our door!
I'd certainly call them the most impressive, but they're hardly the only one. Several came before - The Huari, Tiahuanaco - and they had contemporaries (as I'm sure Gucumatz would love to mention, the Chachapoya).
I always thought of Superpower being... Superpowers. There were only a few in the history, like the British Empire, USA and USSR. Right now, USA is the only one, albeit that may change due to endogenous factors and China ascension. Anyway, if people are expecting the 9th civ to be a superpower, then we are not going to have any new civ at all.
Radu_Magus
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Never said it was the only one, but it was by far the most advanced and most relevant. There simply isn't enough info about these other people, they were too small and most people don't even know about them, not even in South America. To put them is like putting an Alien civ, it would be just as good and they would to make up things just as much.
Really, it's impossible.
bonafide11
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Yes, I'm not really sure how the topic turned to superpowers and not what continent deserves more representation the most, but there's a big difference between a superpower and a regional power. Most civs in the game are only regional powers. There are some civs in the game that were not even regional powers, especially some of the European ones that I do not feel deserve inclusion.
My only point was that for a modern nation to be included in the game, it should be a superpower. Modern nations with a good economy and a large population does not, in my opinion, merit inclusion. The U.S.'s military power, technological innovation, and global influence put it head and shoulders above any other modern nation, so I just took issue with someone saying Brazil deserves to be included in the game as much as the U.S.
Stefanskantine
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I vote for the inclusion of Golden Horde. Why? Something new to the franchise, and they have a cool name.
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