CoS Discussion: Section C - Naming Rights

[ravensfire]

DG2 Section C - Naming Rights

C.  Naming Rights 
  1.  Naming rights for new cities will be given following the Chain of Command. 
      When more than one citizen has the same spot in the COC (example - "Elected 
      Officials" group) rank will be determined by their seniority as a citizen (who 
      signed the Registry first). This priority chain will be rearranged by elections as 
      different people move up and down the Chain of Command. 
A.  Citizens that have received an honor will top the COC for purposes of 
    naming rights in the order that they received their honors. 
  2.  The designated player will decide if a captured city is subject to renaming. 
      He/She will post this decision for each newly captured city with the turn brief 
      and save game. Renaming rights follow the chain in Point 1 above. 
  3.  Provinces will be named by the first elected governor of the province. 
  4.  Natural terrain features (mountain chains, lakes, deserts, etc) may be named by 
      Provincial Governors. If the Provincial Governor does not wish to name a 
      feature it may be passed to the naming rights chain in Point 1 above. 
  5.  A newly elected governor may request name changes for cities within his/her 
      province. This can only be done in the first week of the governor's term of 
      office. The governor will post a poll with the suggested name change in an 
      APPROVED / DISAPPROVED / ABSTAIN format and a 2 day or longer 
      time frame. Popular support will allow or deny the proposed name change. 
  6.  Naming rights must pass through all citizens before a citizen is given a second 
      naming right in the chain (from Article 1). That is, if you've already named a city
      you do not get to name another one because you moved positions in the Chain of 
      Command.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Cyc]

Take out A. That is an out-dated process that really served no game purpose and should not affect the COC or Naming Rights.

2. should just state that all captured cities shall be renamed and the same process will be used to do so. In DG2, the DP never asked if people wanted to rename the captured cities (we won by Domination), therefore the list of people that did not get to name a city was quite long. We should let as many people as possible name their own city.

 

[zorven]

I don't like having only a few people being able to name cities. I would like to see a way to involve the citizens. Therefore, I propose something like this:

     1. A City Name List is compiled from names provided by the citizens of Fanatica. 
          a. Each citizen was required to provide a name at the time of registration. 
          b. Names will be used in the order of citizen registration. If a city name was not
             provided, that citizen is skipped.
          c. A citizen may change or add their choice of city name any time prior to 
             their choice being used. A post must be made in the Censue Office thread regarding the
             change or addition.
     2. When a city name is required, the first name available on the official City Name List
        shall be used.
     3. When a city has been named using a name from the City Name List, it shall not be renamed.
     4. Cities that were captured, flipped, or otherwise acquired  have the option
        to be renamed at the discretion of the Governor or Domestic Leader, whomever has control
        of the city. When a city is renamed, it must follow the points  above.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Originally posted by zorven

     1. A City Name List is compiled from names provided by the citizens of Fanatica. 
          a. Each citizen was required to provide a name at the time of registration. 
          b. Names will be used in the order of citizen registration. If a city name was not
             provided, that citizen is skipped [COLOR=deeppink]until that citizen provides a name. 
That name is placed on top of the remaining list[/COLOR] .
          c. A citizen may change or add their choice of city name any time prior to 
             their choice being used. A post must be made in the Censue Office thread regarding the
             change or addition.
     2. When a city name is required, the first name available on the official City Name List
        shall be used
[COLOR=deeppink] unless that city's name-giver determines otherwise.[/COLOR] .
     3. When a city has been named using a name from the City Name List, it shall not be renamed 
[COLOR=deeppink] unless the city is wrongly named[/COLOR] .
     4. Cities that were captured, flipped, or otherwise acquired  [COLOR=deeppink] are always renamed[/COLOR] 
        . When a city is renamed, it must follow the points  above.

Explanation:
1b. Just because you couldn't think of a proper name shouldn't be the reason to never name a city.
2. I can imagine a city-name suiting a different city or location better than others. Think of "Port xxx" for a mountain city, or "Desert fox" for a jungle city.
3. I remember Aqualondë first being named A l qualond e .
4. Giving citizens the opportunity to name cities has a great impact on involvement. And by renaming them always gives more citizens an "own city"

 

[Cyc]

OK, I like RM's revision of zorven's proposal. Covers the needed points.

Btw the way Rik Meleet, if you edit your post and put the cursor right after the word "name" in the third sentance and hit enter, you can shorten the length of that sentance appropriately.

 

[ybbor]

okay, Rm's works but change the new on 2 to "unless otherwise stated by that player". i'll give an example using my city name, woodridge. if my revision is pased, i would put in the citizen registry "City name : woodridge (with at least 1 tile bordering the city square bieng forest)" i mean, are we really going to go throught the effort of posting a poll every time we name a city? i think it would just make sense to have the player decide when his/her city would be named, and if a player doesn't provide a description of where there city should be, then it will be named whenever it is it's turn, if that means we have desert fox in the jungle, we'll just say it was ment to confuse the AI

 

[Rik Meleet]

Ybbor, that was what I meant. I've changed it.

 

[ybbor]

in that case, i'm all for Rik's proposal

 

[ravensfire]

Thus, we have a proposal that looks like this:

C.  Naming Rights 
  1. A City Name List is compiled from names provided by the citizens of
       COUNTYR_NAME. 
    a. Each citizen was required to provide a name at the time of 
       registration. 
    b. Names will be used in the order of citizen registration. If a city 
       name was not provided, that citizen is skipped until that citizen
       provides a name.  That name is placed on top of the remaining list.
    c. A citizen may change or add their choice of city name any time prior
       to their choice being used. A post must be made in the Census Office 
       thread regarding the change or addition.
  2. When a city name is required, the first name available on the official
     City Name List shall be used unless that city's name-giver determines 
     otherwise.
  3. When a city has been named using a name from the City Name List, it 
     shall not be renamed unless the city is wrongly named .
  4. Cities that were captured, flipped, or otherwise acquired are always 
     renamed.  When a city is renamed, it must follow the points  above.
  5.  Provinces will be named by the first elected governor of the province. 
  6.  Natural terrain features (mountain chains, lakes, deserts, etc) may be 
      named by Provincial Governors. If the Provincial Governor does not wish
      to name a feature it may be passed to the naming rights chain in Point 1
      above. 
  7.  A newly elected governor may request name changes for cities within 
      his/her province. This can only be done in the first week of the 
      governor's term of office. The governor will post a poll with the 
      suggested name change in an APPROVED / DISAPPROVED / ABSTAIN format 
      and a 2 day or longer time frame. Popular support will allow or deny 
      the proposed name change. 
  8.  Naming rights must pass through all citizens before a citizen is given 
      a second naming right in the chain (from Article 1).

-- Ravensfire

 

[Cyc]

Looks good to me.

 

[donsig]

I say we remove the naming rights from the CoL and CoS.

 

[Cyc]

Why would you want to do that, donsig?

 

[zorven]

6. Natural terrain features (mountain chains, lakes, deserts, etc) may be named by Provincial Governors. If the Provincial Governor does not wish to name a feature it may be passed to the naming rights chain in Point 1 above.

I think that if the governor doesn't name any features that we should let that pass to the next governor. Who is to decide what a "feature" is and when that should pass to the citizens to name. Lets keep it simple and just leave it with the Governors.

7. A newly elected governor may request name changes for cities within his/her province. This can only be done in the first week of the governor's term of office. The governor will post a poll with the suggested name change in an APPROVED / DISAPPROVED / ABSTAIN format and a 2 day or longer time frame. Popular support will allow or deny the proposed name change.

I don't care for this provision. We have a process to involve the citizens and let them name cities and then we can just throw out their names on a whim? No, a city named by a citizen should stay that way.

 

[Cyc]

I agree with zorven on both of these points. His first point is actually the way things have been handled in the past, except with the Governor explicitly asked the citizens for names.

With C.4 above, renaming of cities wouldn't be needed, supporting his second point.

 

[ybbor]

yeah, imagine how a citizen would feel if there town was sudenly renamed to a name they hated, and regarding putting a new post in the census, isn't that discouraged? aren't we just supposed to edit it? maybe we should do something with PM...

 

[TerminalMan90]

Originally posted by ybbor
yeah, imagine how a citizen would feel if their town was suddenly renamed...

Yeah, especially if they are down a bit in the registry and have been waiting for a city named after them for some time.

I'm not in support of this idea.

 

[zorven]

I have seen some discussion on the name of the Capital, but don't remember where I saw it. If we are going to use some other method to name the Capital, we should make a provision in this text for that.

 

[Cyc]

Originally posted by zorven
I have seen some discussion on the name of the Capital, but don't remember where I saw it. If we are going to use some other method to name the Capital, we should make a provision in this text for that.

That was in the Creation Day thread, but of the people that responded to the issue,7 of 8 preferred that the President name the Capital city. Therefore, the COC would automatically make this so. No need for any additional vebage or a change in any existing verbage.

 

[Bootstoots]

Originally posted by Cyc


That was in the Creation Day thread, but of the people that responded to the issue,7 of 8 preferred that the President name the Capital city. Therefore, the COC would automatically make this so. No need for any additional vebage or a change in any existing verbage.

Where is the CoC involved in naming rights, under the proposals above? Also, I think it might be a better idea to use the CoC, then the citizen registry after the CoC has been exhausted.

 

[Cyc]

Originally posted by Bootstoots
Where is the CoC involved in naming rights, under the proposals above? Also, I think it might be a better idea to use the CoC, then the citizen registry after the CoC has been exhausted.

Your correct in the saying the COC was taken out of the legislation, Boots. I was reviewing the first proposal. In this case, the person who registered first would name the Capital city. Then the following cities would be named by people following the order of the Citizen Registry.