Creating a More Effcient Judciary

[Peri]

Yes CT they are but at the moment it requires quite a bit of red tape. This way it would be like x contacts the court with a complaint against y. Court immediately contacts y. The ncourt arranges a time when x and y can meet in chat or exchange pms via a mediator from the court.
This method could cut days from the current procedure. Especially since it is rare that someone actually wants to 'punish' another in the CC. For example in the last DG in terms 4-6 there were many occasions where people complained about another citizen with the opener ' I dont want to PI citizen x but.....' Usually citizen x responded with an apology and a promise to sort it out.

This method will also bring some of the teamwork and friendliness that is lacking at the moment.

 

[Sarevok]

That is also more freindly and can kill off some of the paranoia that is here becasue people get CCed if they screw up.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Sarevok
That is also more freindly and can kill off some of the paranoia that is here becasue people get CCed if they screw up.

No one gets CCed because the *screw up*. If it not illegal to make a poor decision. But it is illegal to do certain things that we'd have explicitly laid out in out Three Books. Anyone choosing to run for demogame office should become familiar with the rules as they are now written. It is not all that difficult.

 

[Sarevok]

im reffering to some of the CC's,such as Rik's or in a sense CT's. The ones about playing ahead were ok, and I agree that they were rightful CC's. Either way, there is a high paranoia about being CCed among the Ministers, and mabye Peri's proposal can lessen it or eliminate it.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Sarevok
im reffering to some of the CC's,such as Rik's or in a sense CT's. The ones about playing ahead were ok, and I agree that they were rightful CC's. Either way, there is a high paranoia about being CCed among the Ministers, and mabye Peri's proposal can lessen it or eliminate it.

If there is paranoia among the leaders the problem lies with the leaders themselves and our *citizens*, not our laws. Frankly, anyone afraid of being CCed does not deserve to called a leader. A leader who leads, who goes forward into the unknown will make mistakes no doubt about it. But if he or she is just then there is nothing to fear from accusations which is all a CC is until actual guilt is ascertained. If a leader is acting in good faith then there will be no dire consequences from a CC. Honestly you all look upon a CC as the Mark of Death and it is quite pathetic. I would love to comment further on the active CCs you cite above about as an active member of the judiciary our laws forbid it.

 

[Sarevok]

It is becasue of those CC's that people are uneasy and paranoid of just about everyone. Absolute perfection is the requirement or you might face a CC is the general mood. I myself am a little paranoid, so I post my instructions for the military saying exactly what every one of our units need to do. This general feeling that absolute perfection is required at all times gets on people's nerves. Of course, this sounds strange to me as I would have give such instructions anyways. I say this for the benefit of those who are truly paranoid about what they do.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Sarevok
It is becasue of those CC's that people are uneasy and paranoid of just about everyone. Absolute perfection is the requirement or you might face a CC is the general mood. I myself am a little paranoid, so I post my instructions for the military saying exactly what every one of our units need to do. This general feeling that absolute perfection is required at all times gets on people's nerves. Of course, this sounds strange to me as I would have give such instructions anyways. I say this for the benefit of those who are truly paranoid about what they do.

The two CCs you refer to were not brought about because a leader wasn't perfect. They aren't about a leader making a *little booboo* or failing to cross all the *t*s and dot all the *i*s. They both concern different facets of the issue of what a DP can and cannot legally do under the law we collectively agreed to. Our citizens as a whole have been quite restrained in the filing of CCs with many issues being resolved as judicial reviews rather than citizen complaints. I do not see any reason for paranoia. I certainly do not see this paranoia as a reason to halt litigation that is working to improve our laws.

Rather than change the current system we have why don't you all open your eyes and look at CCs for the positive things they can be.

 

[Sarevok]

Positives:
- The accused will "learn" their lesson.
- Stability will return in a sense.

Negatives:
- Accused will probably hate the accuser
- accused will never be trusted to run that position and probably wont get re-elected for the next term
- accused becomes paranoid about every action they make
- accused will jump at signs of disorder and cause chaos

Judicial Reviews in my opinion in some cases are a nice way of saying: "I would CC you, but im having a good day" with some exceptions. The one that this message is directed at knows who they are, and it just stirrs up more of this "atmosphere of mistrust"

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Sarevok
Positives:
- The accused will "learn" their lesson.
- Stability will return in a sense.

Negatives:
- Accused will probably hate the accuser
- accused will never be trusted to run that position and probably wont get re-elected for the next term
- accused becomes paranoid about every action they make
- accused will jump at signs of disorder and cause chaos

Judicial Reviews in my opinion in some cases are a nice way of saying: "I would CC you, but im having a good day" with some exceptions. The one that this message is directed at knows who they are, and it just stirrs up more of this "atmosphere of mistrust"

That's a pretty immature way of looking at things. I'm the most accused person in demogame history and you know what? I don't hate anyone. I was the accused in two PIs in DG1 when I was president. You know what? I was elected President again in DG3. I am not paranoid of CCs for I feel what I do is legal and I'm willing to jusitfy my actions, be it in a private idscussion a public discussion or a CC.

CCs are not about *teaching someone a lesson*! With a complicated set of laws it is not always clear who has what authority. CCs and JRs are the best ways of defining the limits of our leaders authority. CCs and JRs are NOT about pointing fingers and making someone feel bad. They ARE about establishing the boundaries of our leader's powers according to the *Will of the People* as embodied in our laws.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by donsig


That's a pretty immature way of looking at things. I'm the most accused person in demogame history and you know what? I don't hate anyone. I was the accused in two PIs in DG1 when I was president. You know what? I was elected President again in DG3. I am not paranoid of CCs for I feel what I do is legal and I'm willing to jusitfy my actions, be it in a private idscussion a public discussion or a CC.

Keep in mind, donsig, that you are a good amount older than many of our players.

 

[Sarevok]

unfortunately, the *will of the people* isnt as big of an issue as it should be. Call me immature if you want, but I know why you argue for the side you do argue for. I do not plan to start a flamewar, but your calling our system with its frequent judicial squabbling and the "unwritten rules" that you profess a great system disturbs me greatly.