Cure for Cancer

[Benjamin Miller]

I have two problems with this wonder:

1) It's not good enough. If a cure for cancer was discovered, more than one person per city would be happy. The cure for cancer should be better than the hanging gardens. Which one would you rather have?

2) Let's say the US discovers a cure for cancer. According to civ3, not only will they keep it to themselves, but they will somehow prevent other nations from trying to develop a cure for cancer.


The same goes for Universal Suffrage. These should be Universal Wonders, like the Manhattan Project. If anyone builds one of them, everybody gets the effects. This would have both an upside (you get the effects) and a downside (everybody else would get the effects).

Anyone else think so?

 

[M Bison]

Ben,
While I agree with you on Cure for Cancer for the most part, I must disagree with you on the Manhattan project. The US guarded that secret for as long as they could. Sure, someone either developed it later or stole our plans for it, but they had to earn it themselves.

Keeping something like the Cure for Cancer to yourself would be a foreign relations nightmare. I sure as hell wouldn't even want to attempt it. However, I can see it taking a while for this cure to become widely available. Say the US develops a Cure for Cancer, Russia may not have full access to that for a good 6 months to a year.

You also have to keep in mind that 1 citizen in Civ equals thousands of citizens, not just one.

 

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Originally posted by M Bison
...You also have to keep in mind that 1 citizen in Civ equals thousands of citizens, not just one.

True, but 1?
I agree with Mr. Miller.
The Cure for Cancer being on par with the Hanging Gardens is strange, to me. You can edit this, and I do understand the time differentials (i.e., the people in ancient times wouldn't quite care of a cure, as they had no clue what cancer was - so to them the Hanging Gardens would have been just as impressive), but still...just seems odd. Longevity is another one I find somewhat off.

I must say I also agree with making the CfC a Small Wonder, but I feel the SWs should have at least two turns pass before the knowledge is spread to the AI civs - unless it is stolen through espionage.
This turn limit would reflect the time your 'scientists' would need to teach these radical ideas to other cultures, if nothing else. It would also give the developing civ a bit of a jump start, as they should have.
Again, unless it is stolen outright through a spy network.

 

[Dralix]

Originally posted by Benjamin Miller
The same goes for Universal Suffrage. These should be Universal Wonders, like the Manhattan Project. If anyone builds one of them, everybody gets the effects

Have to disagree with you here. There are countries today that don't have universal suffrage, are there not?

Originally posted by M Bison

While I agree with you on Cure for Cancer for the most part, I must disagree with you on the Manhattan project. The US guarded that secret for as long as they could. Sure, someone either developed it later or stole our plans for it, but they had to earn it themselves.

Actually, the US shared that secret with Canada after WWII as I understand it. That may have had something to do with deploying warheads there, though.

Originally posted by D. Boon's Ghost

I must say I also agree with making the CfC a Small Wonder, but I feel the SWs should have at least two turns pass before the knowledge is spread to the AI civs - unless it is stolen through espionage.

Small Wonders' effects do not pass to the other civs. They may be built by other civs at their own cost.

Anyway, don't think of the effects of Cure for Cancer as people being happy because cancer has been cured. Think instead of people being happy because we cured cancer. "Hey aren't we great, we wiped cancer off the face of the planet! We're better than you!"

 

[Amask]

Originally posted by M Bison

You also have to keep in mind that 1 citizen in Civ equals thousands of citizens, not just one.

But 3 citizens made happy by Hanging Gardens are three times that number. Who was really happy - only a handful of rich people.

The effect of Cure for Cancer should be increased, that's obvious. Especially if there is such a struggle for it (as someone builds Longetivity others switch to Cure for Cancer)

 

[Selous]

well personally i think that there should be many more small wonders ... and the manhatten project should definatly be!! cure for cancer, universal sufferage ... there should be more small wonders than large ones!!

and why would cure for cancer make people sooo much more happy than they are now? .... its only going to make me happier when i get cancer ... and they cure it ... now longativity ... or the imortal drug/thingy/whatyamacallit ... that would make people a little happier!!

as compared to massive feats of engineering ... they make people happy by the sheer scale and majestiy of them, gives u a sence of beloning and like u are a part of something great ... and esspecially back in ancient times!!

 

[Jaygatz]

Originally posted by Amask


The effect of Cure for Cancer should be increased, that's obvious. Especially if there is such a struggle for it (as someone builds Longetivity others switch to Cure for Cancer)

Yeah... but you have to remember that in the modern age people are just more jaded and have come to expect such good things in life.

 

[BiatchGuy]

Originally posted by Selous
well personally i think that there should be many more small wonders ... and the manhatten project should definatly be!! cure for cancer, universal sufferage ... there should be more small wonders than large ones!!

indeed

 

[Jersey Joe]

Originally posted by Amask

But 3 citizens made happy by Hanging Gardens are three times that number. Who was really happy - only a handful of rich people.

The effect of Cure for Cancer should be increased, that's obvious.

Why does anyone believe that if either a Cure for Cancer or a Longevity treatment is developed it would be shared with everyone and not just those who can pay?

You could make an arguement that Longevity would increase unhappiness, since those in power would remain in their positions, even longer than they do now, and the chance for advancement (by younger people) would be diminished.

 

[allhailIndia]

Originally posted by Jersey Joe

Why does anyone believe that if either a Cure for Cancer or a Longevity treatment is developed it would be shared with everyone and not just those who can pay?

You could make an arguement that Longevity would increase unhappiness, since those in power would remain in their positions, even longer than they do now, and the chance for advancement (by younger people) would be diminished.

That's what's happening in Japan