Curt's Invitation - Prove God Exists!

[Pentium]

Or again are you only talking about Europe or Slovakia?

I think there is a higher percentage of believers among uneducated people than anomng highly educated ones. It's almost like smarter people don't believe in god, stupid ones and those who didn't have an option of good education do.

Your sentence confirms that hypothesis, as you claim to be a believer and you've just showed your ignorance about world geography. There's more to world that just US, Canada and Mexico.

Of course, I'll leave the option that you're mocking me. This a serious discussion and I don't think your god would be happy about it. Neither will be people who take your arguments seriously.

Hm.. that thing about your conversion. As you wrote it it look more like you've been thinking about your view of the world and your actions than finding god. That's a good thing, sometime I think about is as well. But I don't think what should I do to make God happy, I think what should I do to make people around me happy.

Edit:

So are you saying that there are more atheists in the world than christians?

No, I'm not saying that, even if it's true. The billion and a half of Chinese probably make up for all Americans, Europeans and African, don't you think? And there's no problem with my English. You better read again. I meant exactly what FredLC said.

 

[Markus6]

I think there is a higher percentage of believers among uneducated people than anomng highly educated ones. It's almost like smarter people don't believe in god, stupid ones and those who didn't have an option of good education do.

Oh that old chestnut ! When you start a sentence with "I think" when you're talking about statistics you should realise you're probably on shaky grounds. Anyway, my education is probably among the highest possible. I firmly believe in God as do many of my peers. Are we all stupid?

 

[Pentium]

Oh that old chestnut ! When you start a sentence with "I think" when you're talking about statistics you should realise you're probably on shaky grounds. Anyway, my education is probably among the highest possible. I firmly believe in God as do many of my peers. Are we all stupid?

No, that wasn't my point. I knew I wasn't on firm ground and that's why I said "I think". The point was that BJ didn't seem to know the difference between Slovenia and Slovakia. The first 3 paragraphs of my post are by no means arguments about god's existance or claims that you (and believers) are stupid.

 

[Markus6]

No, that wasn't my point. I knew I wasn't on firm ground and that's why I said "I think". The point was that BJ didn't seem to know the difference between Slovenia and Slovakia. The first 3 paragraphs of my post are by no means arguments about god's existance or claims that you (and believers) are stupid.

Well then insult him if you want. Don't drag all of us into it.

 

[Pentium]

Well then insult him if you want. Don't drag all of us into it.

I don't like directly insulting people. And I didn't really drag anyone into this. I usually put words like "think" and "almost" into a sentence for purpuse.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I don't think that BJ is so ignorant he doesn't know the difference between Slovakia (part of the former Czechoslovakia, capital Bratislava) and Slovenia (part of the former Yugoslavia, capital Ljubljana). I bet it was just an honest mistake, and you blew it waay out of proportion. People can sometimes make mistakes.

 

[Cannae]

Now this may seem like a tall order, but I am willing to push the boat out and allow
our religious posters provide we Atheists with affirmation of their chosen deity...

I had created a similar thread before, many moons ago - But with the new generation
of posters, the debate is due for renewal. The premise of the exercise is quite simple.

Prove to me your GOD exists - A golden chance to silence Curt Silbing!

It seems many religious posters wish us to accept their beliefs without
a jot of evidence, but choose to shoot down Atheism without a glance.

So now it is time to set the record straight, and the religious posters
to provde us all with actual perspectives on the nature of what they
follow - In the hope it will make them examine their ideologies more
closely. Everyone is bound to benefit from this in some way!

Now I want to lay down some rules:

(1) I want something that could be evidence, not just anecdotes and personal imaginings.

(2) I don't want unproductive answers like: 'It all takes faith'...That is copping out.

(3) I don't want the predictable 'Prove he doesn't exist' line. You are the believer, not me!

(4) If you think god is something in your personal mindspace...Share the insights with us!

(5) This thread is not about me or any poster, just go ahead and give evidence for us all.

(6) Evolution and creation can be used, but the thread is not about that issue.

(7) No bible quotes are to be used in place of intelligent arguments.

(8) I want a nice, clean and informative debate, no nastiness.

(9) If you cannot confront your own beliefs, do not take part.

We shall go into all the nooks and crooks here, and and we shall see if the religious
posters have anything to bring to bear. I will not be answering any calls to disprove
god, as I am not the one who wishes the human race to follow my path to salvation.

Keep this in mind, and let the ball roll!

First item of evidence, please!

Curt you just me alot of typeing I was going to make a therad aboght this if you din't allthoght just because we are Atheist dose'nt mean we have to intolareant of other peoples belifes.

 

[Birdjaguar]

My first response to your post (below) was going to be to appologize for confusing Slovakia with the place you live, but then I kept reading. I quickly realized that no appology was needed. Rather than take any responsibility for my mistake I can blame it on being stupid, uneducated and believing in god. That's so much easier. And for the record, none of previous posts were written to mock you.

I think there is a higher percentage of believers among uneducated people than among highly educated ones. It's almost like smarter people don't believe in god, stupid ones and those who didn't have an option of good education do.

Your sentence confirms that hypothesis, as you claim to be a believer and you've just showed your ignorance about world geography.

I am glad to see that the future of Slovenian science is in such capable hands.

 

[Perfection]

See edit above, Perf and Fred.

The more you explain it the less sense it makes.

 

[Birdjaguar]

The more you explain it the less sense it makes.

Then either I need to shut up or we need to sit down and have a beer some time. A keyboard is a bad tool for such talk. I have a temporary solution that will not make things worse.

 

[Perfection]

beer

And the true reason behind your beliefs comes out!

 

[Birdjaguar]

And the true reason behind your beliefs comes out!

Well good guess, but alas no. It was a turn o fphrase. I do not drink beer. I like a little red wine now and again, but that's about all. 2006 Mogan David is particularly good.

The problem is that any kind of mystical experience is very difficult to translate into text that makes sense to those who haven't had such an experience. In addition, parts (for me) were too personal to want to include. So you got a poorly worded and incomplete story. The experience behind the words did not make the transition to keyboard. I'm sorry. I fixed it.

Part of the power of religion is that it can only be transferred from person to person. Passing out bibles or korans will not spread those religions. People talking about their experience is what spreads religion. The text is just after the fact support material.

One of the reasons I like the sufi poets is that they have come as close anyone to put mysticism into words.

 

[Quasar1011]

1 Where are you getting the 483?

From Daniel 9:25-26
"Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

2. Where does the bible say that a prophetic year is 360 days?

In both Daniel and Revelation.

 

[Quasar1011]

Can you prove to me that god inspired Daniel to write his words?

That would be an acceptable proof of a god to me.

Apparently, it was acceptable proof to the ruler of the greatest empire on Earth during Daniel's early life- King Nebuchadnezzar.

Daniel 2:45-47
"The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy."

Then King Nebuchadnezzar fell prostrate before Daniel and paid him honor and ordered that an offering and incense be presented to him. The king said to Daniel, "Surely your God is the God of gods and the Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, for you were able to reveal this mystery."

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Curt, would you agree that Nebuchadnezzar lived long before Alexander the Great? Because Daniel predicted many things about the Greeks during Alexander's time; the time when the Greek Empire split into 4, each led by one of Alexander's generals; and the time when Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the Jewish temple, resulting in the Maccabean revolt. How could a mere mortal predict such things, unless he was receiving inspiration from God?

 

[malclave]

I do not know why such people wish to force their dogma on others. To me it seems contrary to their belief that what they believe is true, because by prosletyzing to us, it seems as though they are trying to prove to themselves the truth of their ideas, no matter how shaky they may be.

I guess the same argument could be made about people who insist on characterizing religious belief as "fantasy", or who denounce religious texts as "fiction" without providing proof of either claim.