Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
I got and will play tonight. First I need to make note of the ideas from tao.
dd2 - "The resourceless Commander"
- Thread starter dreamdeferred
- Start date
Gengis Khan
Deity
Not at all, I think you've covered all the basics & summed it up very nicely.
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2001
- Messages
- 20,062
Another short rush plan is the speed up.
City with 10 shields
Turn 1 - 10 shields in box.
Switch to musket - 60 shields in box - rush it.
Switch back to knight needing 10 shields to build.
If you have the cash, you get a knight every other turn.
================
A different example
Growth in 10, but cathedral in 12. You need the cathedral for the next person not to be miserable. After one turn rush the cheapest option, switch back. If you get the cathedral 10 turns or less, then city growth won't stop.
City with 10 shields
Turn 1 - 10 shields in box.
Switch to musket - 60 shields in box - rush it.
Switch back to knight needing 10 shields to build.
If you have the cash, you get a knight every other turn.
================
A different example
Growth in 10, but cathedral in 12. You need the cathedral for the next person not to be miserable. After one turn rush the cheapest option, switch back. If you get the cathedral 10 turns or less, then city growth won't stop.
gormdragan
King
Sorry pple, I will be away on a business trip to mexico for the next 2 days. Should be back on Thursday.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Pre-flight - 90 AD Per taos teachings - Worker stopped on horses. Those smelly things! Irrigation started. Indus changed from worker to spear. Bengal changed from worker to settler. Jaipur MMed.
IBT Delhi: Spear=> Archer
Bombay: Duct=> Market
Madras: Worker=> Barracks
Jaipur;Spear=> Spear
Hyderabad: Archer=> Archer
1. 110 AD Worker movements and assignments.
IBT Calcutta: Archer=> Archer
Chittagong: Archer=> Barracks
2. 130 Ad Final maneuvering for war. Starts next turn.
IBT Delhi: Archer => Archer
Kolhapur: Spear=> Archer
3. 150 AD Trade TMs with Abe then declare war.
First we nab his workers outside of Philly, then start the invasion. It stinks not having fast movers.
IBT Abe moves his settler pair into the open. A second pair runs our way
What a dope!
Lahore: Duct=>Market
Bengal: Settler=> Spear
4. 170 AD Vet archer takes out settler pair => Two slaves.
We disconnect that nasty iron stuff NW of Washington. No one should ever be allow to touch it. It is very bad.
IBT Abe moves another settler pair off a mountain and into the open.
Delhi: Archer=> Archer
Bangalore: Archer=> Settler
5. 190 AD Elite Archer takes out settler pair => two slaves with no loss.
Siege of Washington
Vet archer redlines a regular spear and loses.
Vet archer kills re spear and promotes (-1hp)
Vet archer is killed by 1/3 Reg spear (spear promotes)
Vet archer kills vet(2/4) spear
Washington joins the Kingdom!! No resisters, just one very unhappy Yank. She is cheered up by our Military Policemen!
Siege of Philadelphia
Vet archer is killed by reg spear. Spear is promoted (2/4)
Reg Archer kills reg spear and promotes (-1hp)
Position troops for siege of Atlanta.
IBT Lahore riots
Forgot about other stuff in the excitement. Discipline Bugsy!!
Japanese complete HG in Kyoto.
6. 210 AD Adjust lux to 10%.
Positioning troops.
IBT: Delhi: Archer=> Archer
Calcutta: Archer=> Archer
7. 230 AD Siege of Atlanta:
Vet archer kills reg spear (-1hp)
Vet archer kills reg spear (-1hp)
Atlanta destroyed.
Hurry settler in Bangalore for 96G
Siege of Philly
(3/4) archer killed by vet spear (-2hp)
Elite archer kills spear and Philly joins the Kingdom.
OH NO!! There are some of those nasty horses under Philly. We abandon the city immediately. In the future well have to cntl-shift-M before capturing a city. I usually only do that if it is near a river. We could have gotten some slaves from razing it. The horse tile is promptly disconnected. [dance]![[party]](/images/smilies/partytime.gif "Party [party]")
[dance] Just keeping the world safe from strategic resources
Kohlapur changed to settler and hurried.
IBT Toku wants to sells us his WM for our WM & 5G. Sorry.
Washington riots.
Bangalore: Settler=> Archer
Kohlapur: Settler=> Archer
Oil Springs: Spear=> Barracks
Hyderabad: Archer=> Archer
Bengal: Spear=> Barracks (Im going for the barracks because we need vet units. Obviously all these choices are vetoable.)
8. 250 AD Found Mumbal. Start on Barracks. (We seem to have run out of Indian city names fairly quickly. I looked this up in an atlas.) (Morning after thoughts: I think I may have put this city in the wrong place. It should probably have gone out west of Oil Springs.)
More positioning.
IBT Delhi: Archer=> Archer
9.260 AD Siege of Boston (Go Red Sox!!)
Vet Archer redlines vet spear, but dies.
Vet archer dies to a reg spear (-1hp)
Elite archer kills (2/3) spear.
Take a chance with vet spear against (1/4) spear and win!
The Kingdom of India now owns Fenway Park and can cheer on the Sox.
Boston has iron hooked up. Send archer to disconnect it.
Siege of New York
Vet archer flawlessly kills reg spear and we destroy New York.
Two slaves captured.
Kohlapur switched to settler and rushed. Forces positioned to keep city site from Aztec settler pair.
IBT Madras: Barracks=> Archer
Karachi: Barracks=> Archer
Kohlapur=> Settler=> Market
10. 270 AD Found New Philadelphia. Start Barracks.
Iron outside of Boston disconnected.
Situation Report: I moved the lone scientist so that Oil Springs will grow. I have settlers on the way to replace Atlanta and New York. I also have a major block going against an Aztec settler pair that is trying to get to the New York site. There are two Aztec settler pairs in the jungle NW of New Philly. I have an archer shadowing both of them. They are presently headed back towards the former American city sites, but they have changed direction several times.
I have three workers constructing the road to China. We may want more.
Lesson Learned: Fighting with archers at 2 attack v. spears with 2 defense isnt very easy. Go in with more force than you normally would . Overwhelming Plus.
Herr tao is up next I believe. It will be interesting to see your thoughts on my MMing. It feels like being back in college and you are submitting a paper to your professor.
Here is
The Kingdom of India
IBT Delhi: Spear=> Archer
Bombay: Duct=> Market
Madras: Worker=> Barracks
Jaipur;Spear=> Spear
Hyderabad: Archer=> Archer
1. 110 AD Worker movements and assignments.
IBT Calcutta: Archer=> Archer
Chittagong: Archer=> Barracks
2. 130 Ad Final maneuvering for war. Starts next turn.
IBT Delhi: Archer => Archer
Kolhapur: Spear=> Archer
3. 150 AD Trade TMs with Abe then declare war.
First we nab his workers outside of Philly, then start the invasion. It stinks not having fast movers.
IBT Abe moves his settler pair into the open. A second pair runs our way
What a dope!Lahore: Duct=>Market
Bengal: Settler=> Spear
4. 170 AD Vet archer takes out settler pair => Two slaves.
We disconnect that nasty iron stuff NW of Washington. No one should ever be allow to touch it. It is very bad.
IBT Abe moves another settler pair off a mountain and into the open.
Delhi: Archer=> Archer
Bangalore: Archer=> Settler
5. 190 AD Elite Archer takes out settler pair => two slaves with no loss.
Siege of Washington
Vet archer redlines a regular spear and loses.
Vet archer kills re spear and promotes (-1hp)
Vet archer is killed by 1/3 Reg spear (spear promotes)
Vet archer kills vet(2/4) spear
Washington joins the Kingdom!! No resisters, just one very unhappy Yank. She is cheered up by our Military Policemen!
Siege of Philadelphia
Vet archer is killed by reg spear. Spear is promoted (2/4)
Reg Archer kills reg spear and promotes (-1hp)
Position troops for siege of Atlanta.
IBT Lahore riots
Forgot about other stuff in the excitement. Discipline Bugsy!!Japanese complete HG in Kyoto.
6. 210 AD Adjust lux to 10%.
Positioning troops.
IBT: Delhi: Archer=> Archer
Calcutta: Archer=> Archer
7. 230 AD Siege of Atlanta:
Vet archer kills reg spear (-1hp)
Vet archer kills reg spear (-1hp)
Atlanta destroyed.
Hurry settler in Bangalore for 96G
Siege of Philly
(3/4) archer killed by vet spear (-2hp)
Elite archer kills spear and Philly joins the Kingdom.
OH NO!! There are some of those nasty horses under Philly. We abandon the city immediately. In the future well have to cntl-shift-M before capturing a city. I usually only do that if it is near a river. We could have gotten some slaves from razing it. The horse tile is promptly disconnected. [dance]
[dance] Just keeping the world safe from strategic resources Kohlapur changed to settler and hurried.
IBT Toku wants to sells us his WM for our WM & 5G. Sorry.
Washington riots.
Bangalore: Settler=> Archer
Kohlapur: Settler=> Archer
Oil Springs: Spear=> Barracks
Hyderabad: Archer=> Archer
Bengal: Spear=> Barracks (Im going for the barracks because we need vet units. Obviously all these choices are vetoable.)
8. 250 AD Found Mumbal. Start on Barracks. (We seem to have run out of Indian city names fairly quickly. I looked this up in an atlas.) (Morning after thoughts: I think I may have put this city in the wrong place. It should probably have gone out west of Oil Springs.)
More positioning.
IBT Delhi: Archer=> Archer
9.260 AD Siege of Boston (Go Red Sox!!)
Vet Archer redlines vet spear, but dies.
Vet archer dies to a reg spear (-1hp)
Elite archer kills (2/3) spear.
Take a chance with vet spear against (1/4) spear and win!
The Kingdom of India now owns Fenway Park and can cheer on the Sox.
Boston has iron hooked up. Send archer to disconnect it.
Siege of New York
Vet archer flawlessly kills reg spear and we destroy New York.
Two slaves captured.
Kohlapur switched to settler and rushed. Forces positioned to keep city site from Aztec settler pair.
IBT Madras: Barracks=> Archer
Karachi: Barracks=> Archer
Kohlapur=> Settler=> Market
10. 270 AD Found New Philadelphia. Start Barracks.
Iron outside of Boston disconnected.
Situation Report: I moved the lone scientist so that Oil Springs will grow. I have settlers on the way to replace Atlanta and New York. I also have a major block going against an Aztec settler pair that is trying to get to the New York site. There are two Aztec settler pairs in the jungle NW of New Philly. I have an archer shadowing both of them. They are presently headed back towards the former American city sites, but they have changed direction several times.
I have three workers constructing the road to China. We may want more.
Lesson Learned: Fighting with archers at 2 attack v. spears with 2 defense isnt very easy. Go in with more force than you normally would . Overwhelming Plus.
Herr tao is up next I believe. It will be interesting to see your thoughts on my MMing. It feels like being back in college and you are submitting a paper to your professor.
Here is
The Kingdom of India
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Just so everyone knows. I have a business trip to Cleveland from Monday Oct 13th to Thursday the 16th. I will check in in the evenings, but I won't be on line during the days.... Real work to do 
gormdragan
King
i'm back
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Bump
Take inventory and do some mmm increasing growth and +8gpt (working tiles next to river gives +1g). Kalhapur is size 3 but we built an aqueduct???? Move scientist to New Delhi. Move more troops south.
370-300
workers work, troops move south
310
declare war on Aztecs; kill archer, settler->slaves
stack of doom moves toward TzinTunTzen
330
capture TzinTzunTzen loosing only one archer killing 2 horses, 4 archers, make 4 more slaves
China has contact w England; do lots of trades:
buy contact w England from China for 310g
England gives contact w Germany, tm, 6g for poly, currency, wm
Germany gives wm, 9g for currency
China gives 195g for contact w Germany
England gives republic for monarchy, contact w Aztecs, Japan
China gives 116g for republic
exchange maps
340
troops move, workers work, kill 2 Aztecs
350
Great Lib gives feudalism; Germany has monotheism
360
troops move, workers work, kill 2 Aztecs, loose archer
370
resistance in TzinTzunTzen ends; hurry barracks
more troops arrive and soon we will attack Tenochtitlan
Notes to next player: Workers near Lahore should cut forrest and irrigate. There is a river crossing south of TzinTzunTzen. Road to China will be done in 5 turns. Maps are current.
Let's continue to hope for a Great Leader for building Sun Tzu's.
The Save.
370-300
workers work, troops move south
310
declare war on Aztecs; kill archer, settler->slaves
stack of doom moves toward TzinTunTzen
330
capture TzinTzunTzen loosing only one archer killing 2 horses, 4 archers, make 4 more slaves
China has contact w England; do lots of trades:
buy contact w England from China for 310g
England gives contact w Germany, tm, 6g for poly, currency, wm
Germany gives wm, 9g for currency
China gives 195g for contact w Germany
England gives republic for monarchy, contact w Aztecs, Japan
China gives 116g for republic
exchange maps
340
troops move, workers work, kill 2 Aztecs
350
Great Lib gives feudalism; Germany has monotheism
360
troops move, workers work, kill 2 Aztecs, loose archer
370
resistance in TzinTzunTzen ends; hurry barracks
more troops arrive and soon we will attack Tenochtitlan
Notes to next player: Workers near Lahore should cut forrest and irrigate. There is a river crossing south of TzinTzunTzen. Road to China will be done in 5 turns. Maps are current.
Let's continue to hope for a Great Leader for building Sun Tzu's.
The Save.
gormdragan
King
Preturn:
Some MM.
(1)380:
Delhi makes spear, starts spear
Bang makes arch, starts arch
Kol makes spear, starts spear
Tzz makes rax, starts spear
Ganges makes spear, starts arch
Calcutta makes spear, starts arch
Kills 1 reg spear
(2)390:
Lahore makes arch, starts arch
Hyp makes arch, start arch
kills 2 reg arch, 1 reg horse
(3)400:
Del makes spear, starts spear
Bom makes rax, starts spear
Kills 1 reg horse
(4)410:
Pune makes temple, starts arch
kills 2 vet spear
(5)420:
Del makes spear, start arch
Bom makes spear, start arch
Cal makes arch , start spear
Lahore makes arch, starts arch
Kol makes spear, starts spear
Dacca makes worker, starts temple
Trade Ivory+Incense+Silk for Gem from China
kills 1 reg spear, lost 2 vet arch
IBT:
kils 1 reg arch
(6)430:
Jaipur makes arch, starts arch
Pun makes spear start spear
Galley sunk
kills 1 reg arch, 1 reg spear
lose 3 vet arch
IBT:
lose 1 vet spear
(7)440:
Del makes arch, starts arch
Bom makes arch, starts arch
Indus makes temple, starts rax
Ganges makes arch, starts rax
kills 2 reg spear
lose 2 vet arch, 1 promotes
Malinalco is ours.3 resistors
IBT:
lose 1 vet spear
(8)450:
Mono from GL, Engineering in 2
bang makes arch, starts arch
Lahore makes arch, starts arch
Chtta makes rax, starts spear
lose 2 vet arch
IBT:
lose 1 vet arch
(9)460:
Del makes arch, starts arch
Bom makes arch, starts arch
Mad makes market, starts temple
Cal makes spear starts spear
Kol makes spear, starts spear
Hyp makes arch, starts arch
N Del makes temple, starts rax
lose 5 vet arch
kill 3 vet spear.
Tenochtitlan (pyramids is ours) 6 resistors.
(10)470:
Engineering is discovered, starts chivalry (for elephants)
60% research, -2gpt, in 8.
Next better player
I lost alot of troops taking Tenochtitlan, FYI.
Save
Some MM.
(1)380:
Delhi makes spear, starts spear
Bang makes arch, starts arch
Kol makes spear, starts spear
Tzz makes rax, starts spear
Ganges makes spear, starts arch
Calcutta makes spear, starts arch
Kills 1 reg spear
(2)390:
Lahore makes arch, starts arch
Hyp makes arch, start arch
kills 2 reg arch, 1 reg horse
(3)400:
Del makes spear, starts spear
Bom makes rax, starts spear
Kills 1 reg horse
(4)410:
Pune makes temple, starts arch
kills 2 vet spear
(5)420:
Del makes spear, start arch
Bom makes spear, start arch
Cal makes arch , start spear
Lahore makes arch, starts arch
Kol makes spear, starts spear
Dacca makes worker, starts temple
Trade Ivory+Incense+Silk for Gem from China
kills 1 reg spear, lost 2 vet arch
IBT:
kils 1 reg arch
(6)430:
Jaipur makes arch, starts arch
Pun makes spear start spear
Galley sunk
kills 1 reg arch, 1 reg spear
lose 3 vet arch
IBT:
lose 1 vet spear
(7)440:
Del makes arch, starts arch
Bom makes arch, starts arch
Indus makes temple, starts rax
Ganges makes arch, starts rax
kills 2 reg spear
lose 2 vet arch, 1 promotes
Malinalco is ours.3 resistors
IBT:
lose 1 vet spear
(8)450:
Mono from GL, Engineering in 2
bang makes arch, starts arch
Lahore makes arch, starts arch
Chtta makes rax, starts spear
lose 2 vet arch
IBT:
lose 1 vet arch
(9)460:
Del makes arch, starts arch
Bom makes arch, starts arch
Mad makes market, starts temple
Cal makes spear starts spear
Kol makes spear, starts spear
Hyp makes arch, starts arch
N Del makes temple, starts rax
lose 5 vet arch
kill 3 vet spear.
Tenochtitlan (pyramids is ours) 6 resistors.
(10)470:
Engineering is discovered, starts chivalry (for elephants)
60% research, -2gpt, in 8.
Next better player
I lost alot of troops taking Tenochtitlan, FYI.
Save
gormdragan
King
gormdragan
King
I will have limited internet access for the next 2 weeks but should still be able to play (if you dun see a "got it" posting in 48 hours, you could skip me if you dun want to wait)
Congratulations on getting us The Pyramids.
Some notes on the game, many opinion, not criticism.
I would hurry temples in Tenochtitlan and TzinTzunTzen to fight culture flip risk.
I would starve Tenochtitlan and TzinTzunTzen.
I would hurry the aqueducts in Karachi and Bengal.
Micromanagement would put Indus in wltkd.
Bombay should work grasland instead of forrest to speed growth.
I would not build barracks in New Philadelphia. It has growth potential, needs temple and market. And we hope to get Sun Tzu's sooner or later.
I would switch New Delhi to temple. It will never build a lot of units. I would not clear jungle near ND, but give priority to improving our productive cities.
Workers should mine Delhi horses, cut/irrigate at Lahore. Why did you stop it? We need growth!!!
Work our core cities w high priority (rings 1 and 2), bring them to size 12 before our Golden Age starts, then we may re-mine irrigation.
Distant cities should get lower priority, except building strategic roads of course.
We should dispatch some advance units to pillage the Japanese iron once we declare war on them.
We should pre-build for elephants(70), e.g. w courthouse (80) or library (80).
We should fish for leaders by attacking red-lined Aztecs w elite units. Protect wounded elites!
Some notes on the game, many opinion, not criticism.
I would hurry temples in Tenochtitlan and TzinTzunTzen to fight culture flip risk.
I would starve Tenochtitlan and TzinTzunTzen.
I would hurry the aqueducts in Karachi and Bengal.
Micromanagement would put Indus in wltkd.
Bombay should work grasland instead of forrest to speed growth.
I would not build barracks in New Philadelphia. It has growth potential, needs temple and market. And we hope to get Sun Tzu's sooner or later.
I would switch New Delhi to temple. It will never build a lot of units. I would not clear jungle near ND, but give priority to improving our productive cities.
Workers should mine Delhi horses, cut/irrigate at Lahore. Why did you stop it? We need growth!!!
Work our core cities w high priority (rings 1 and 2), bring them to size 12 before our Golden Age starts, then we may re-mine irrigation.
Distant cities should get lower priority, except building strategic roads of course.
We should dispatch some advance units to pillage the Japanese iron once we declare war on them.
We should pre-build for elephants(70), e.g. w courthouse (80) or library (80).
We should fish for leaders by attacking red-lined Aztecs w elite units. Protect wounded elites!
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
tao, the reason Kolhapur was down to pop 3 was that I rushed two settlers out of there to settle the former Philadelphia and New York sites.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Who's up?
Gengis - Up
Eric - On deck
Bugsy
tao
gorm - Just played
Gengis - Up
Eric - On deck
Bugsy
tao
gorm - Just played
Gengis Khan
Deity
So that explains the delay
. thanks for the roster bugsy!
Got it & will try to play tonight, if not tomorrow before work.
. thanks for the roster bugsy!Got it & will try to play tonight, if not tomorrow before work.
Gengis Khan
Deity
Sorry guys, RL reared its ugly head. If you guys want to skip me for a round it would help out a bunch.
eric2075
Warlord
I got it. Will play today or tomorrow.
eric2075
Warlord
Please explain what you mean by this.
Horses in Delhi are mined.
We can get Chivalry sooner if we run a larger deficit.
Any other thoughts?
[edit] typo
Similar threads
