Defensive bonuses based on terrain questions...

[damunzy]

I have removed the defensive bonus for grassland, plains and tundra as I don't see a reason for it. Is this a bad idea? Is there a justifiable reason for it to be there?
I have also raised the defensive value for jungle to 35% as I think the Jungle would be better in defense compared to Forrests.
Any comments as to why these are good or bad ideas?
Thanks in advance for comments.

 

[kring]

Defensive bonuses make sense, even in grasslands/plains because defenders are able to dig basic foxholes/whatever. Historically, the defender has always had the advantage in an even fight, due to being able to dig in, make a shield wall, etc.

Also, Jungle would be harder than some forests to dig troops out of.

 

[Morten Blaabjerg]

Makes perfect sense, IMO. Terrain is one of the most important things in ancient & medieval warfare, and in modern wars too I guess. So it makes a lot of sense to make it even more vital. Open land has always been the most vulnerable places to be in a war. One would seek up higher to a better fighting position, or hide in forests, jungles, swamps etc, and being able to sneak unseen up to the enemy and launch a surprise attack. One of the reasons for the relative low att/def values of the early game units is probably due to this idea (on part of the designers) of making terrain bonus'es much more important to the fighting.

I think the digging in/shieldwall thingy is well accounted for in the fortify command.

 

[Dark Sheer]

I agree that defender do have more advantages. I remember back in the Three Kingdom period, soldiers pour water over mud wall during winter so it become a solid ice wall. Now thats some defensive bonus!

 

[skywalker]

Originally posted by kring
Defensive bonuses make sense, even in grasslands/plains because defenders are able to dig basic foxholes/whatever. Historically, the defender has always had the advantage in an even fight, due to being able to dig in, make a shield wall, etc.

However, it's a defensive BONUS. Does it make sense to apply a bonus to every terrain tile? The advantage of the defender in general is supposed to be represented in the defense stats and the fortify command.