Democratic Proposal: Changes in Departmental Duties

[Strider]

The following is part of the results by Curufinwe and myself to create a organized and democratic system of checks and balances between the departments:

Presidential Duties:
The President shall be the primary Designated Player and be tasked with worker actions and allocation.

* Designated Player
* Tasked with worker actions and allocation
* Subject to the will of the People

The President should be tasked with anything dealing with our workers, for the main reason that they are the person who can judge how to best put them to use.

Ministry of Domestic Affairs:
The Minister for Domestic Affairs is delegated by the people with the power of distrubuting funds between Science, Entertainment, and Taxes, and in charge of resources in so far as they relate to Domestic Affairs. The Minister is also in charge of all Domestic initiatives and the placement of Wonders, alongside the Minister for Culture.

* Distrubution of funds (Sci/Lux/Tax)
* Domestic initiatives
* In charge of resources alongside the Minister for Trade
* Shall initiate polls upon the placement of wonders, to be decided by the people
* Incharge of the placement of Wonders alongside the Minister for Culture. Placement is to be determined by the people themselves
* Incharge of City Placement
* Subject to the will of the People

This give the Minister of Domestic Affairs the power over most Domestic-related affairs inside of the nation. Including city placements and the top authority of Distrubuting funds. It also allows the Domestic Minister to post polls and discussions over Wonder Placement and Construction.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs:
The Minister for Foreign Affairs is delegated by the people with the power to sign treaties with Foreign Nations and monitor those nations actions and moods towards ourself and our allies.

* Monitor and Sign treaties with Foreign Nations
* Monitoring Foreign Nations actions
* Foreign Relations
* Has jurisdiction over all Espionage attempts.
* May intervene so as to ameliorate the attitudes of other nations
* Has Jurisdiction over the signing of all treaties with Foreign Nations
* Subject to the will of the people

This allows the Minister of Foreign Affairs the power regulate all treaties with our civilization and also work to improve our status among our allies and enemies.

Ministry of Defense:
The Minister for Defense is delegated by the people with the power to handle all military strategy and troop activites.

* Monitor and regulate Wars
* May post polls over declaring war or making peace with a Foreign Nation.
* May initiate a poll to over-ride a govenors build queue if the Minister can prove the city is in danger from the point of view of the Ministry of Defense
* Advises the Domestic and Cultural Departments upon the placement of Wonders relating to the Military Department
* May initiate Espionage attempts dealing with the Ministry of Defense.
* Subject to the Will of the People.

This allows the Minister of Defense the power to defend the nation during times of war and peace as he/she see's fit.

Ministry of Trade:
The Minister for Trade is delegated by the people with the power to monitor and initiate all trade, domestic and foreign, and the use of resources in so far as they correspond to trade.

* Incharge of regulating all Trade related Activity
* Monitors Resource/Lux activity
* Has jurisdiction over Science and Foreign Affairs trade activities.
* Subject to the will of the people

This gives the Minister of Trade Jurisdiction over all trade related activities, including anything Science or Foreign Affairs may do.

Ministry of Science:
The Minister for Science is delegated by the people with the power to monitor all scientific activity, by ourselves and foreign nations, tech acquisition, and tech trading.

* Polling and building the Tech Queue
* Monitoring Technological Activity
* Organization and Placement of Spaceship Parts
* May initiate a tech trade if it does not interfere with Trades instructions, unless the people decide otherwise.
* May advise the Ministers for Culture and Domestic Affairs on the placement of Wonders relating to the Ministry of Science
* Posting polls over the Science Slider, unless it interferes with the Domestic Ministrys instructions.
* May initiate tech Espionage
* Subject to the will of the people

This gives the Minister of Science the power to regulate and effect all technological activity in the world. It also gives them the authority of placement and building of spaceship parts, and advising Culture and Domestic on the placement of Scientific Wonders.

Ministry of Culture:

The Minister for Culture is delegated by the people with the power to monitor all cultural activity, by ourselves and foreign nations, keeping the peace, and the construction and of wonders.

* Monitoring our and foreign nations Cultural Status
* May initiate a poll whereby the people decide on whether to amend a build queue towards producing a cultural improvement or wonder
* Posting polls over Placement and Construction of all Wonders, along side the Minister for Domestic Affairs
* Subject to the will of the people

Allows the Minister of Culture to monitor and handle all cultural threats to the nation, also allows them the power to post polls and discussions of the placement and construction of Wonders.

Provinces
The Governors are delegated by the people with the power to monitor the cities within there Provinces, control of queues, and the happiness of the citizens under their control.
* Monitors the status of there cities Shield, Commerce, and food based.
* May post a poll over raising or lowering the luxury slider, to be decided by the people.
* May post a poll over rushing a(n) improvement(s)/unit(s), to be decided by the people.
* May advise the Ministers for Culture and Domestic Affairs on the placement of Wonders, in so far as it affects there Province
* May force the Minister for Defense to supply defensive units for the defense of a city, to be decided by the people
* Subject to the Will of the People

This allows the govonors the power to regulate there cities Citizens and Defense. It also allows them to take control of a defensive units for a short while for the defense of a city.

These changes would allow the Leaders and Govonors the power they need to regulate every aspect of there department, and gives the citizens of the democracy game more power. Of course, currently this is just a proposal and would have to be amended inorder to be placed inside of the constitution, but it serves the current purpose.

 

[ravensfire]

What the !?!?!!?

What's the reasoning behind this? Is there a need for such a drastic change of our Constitution, well after it was drafted?

-- Ravensfire

 

[Strider]

What the !?!?!!?

What's the reasoning behind this? Is there a need for such a drastic change of our Constitution, well after it was drafted?

-- Ravensfire

The reasoning behind this is to allow the departments powers to overlap and lessen the blow made by the mistake of another leader. It also gives the leaders the power to alter every aspect of there respective area, and force's them in some circumstances to work with other leaders.

 

[ravensfire]

And the current system fails to do this in what way exactly?

Basically, it's another override discussion thread. That's three now - do we really need that many?

-- Ravensfire

 

[Strider]

And the current system fails to do this in what way exactly?

Basically, it's another override discussion thread. That's three now - do we really need that many?

-- Ravensfire

Have you even read the entire post? I'm guessing that you haven't as your replied 3 minutes after the thread was posted, which is certainly not enough time to read the whole thing.

Yes, are current system fails to do alot right now. Tell me, who's job is it to organize the placement and production of spaceship parts? Currently, our constitution does not say. Also, what about Espionage matters. There is no one who can handle Espionage. It also fails to tell who is incharge of the placement of wonders and many more things.

Our current system is not well thought out, it does not include or define many aspects, and needs to be fixed before it becomes a problem.

 

[truckingpete]

Actually, I like this...it well balances out the power...

- TP

 

[Octavian X]

This all looks very good, I'll agree, but in reality it's not really needed. In the end, I think, it's all the same. One must realize that in this game, there's really no such angling from by the different Ministries to get their way.

What you propose would work if our Ministers did not work directly from the will of the people. It would work from another setup, perhaps best for the Game of Oligarchy that the old 1bc people are trying.

Though, our goverment is mandated to follow the will of the people. I would think that, especially when referenced in the singular, that there is only one will that the people have, as determined by polls, discussions, and whatnot. Would not a system of overrides basically imply that one Minister or another was not following the will of the people?

Under our current system, I believe, the will of the people will get done well enough, and I'm not convince the proposed changes would be beneficial.

 

[Curufinwe]

For teh information of all, I was a contributor to this proposal, helped write it and contributed several ideas, foremost being the lessening of the over ride power belonging to the Culture Ministry from the old power to the one I am currently advocating.

 

[GenMarshall]

I like the idea, It brings a bit of ballances of powers with the departments.

 

[snipelfritz]

I like it. It well balences power between the departments and the people.

 

[Curufinwe]

Yes! I have Snipelfritz's approval! I'm not being sarcastic, this is great!

 

[Strider]

Yes! I have Snipelfritz's approval! I'm not being sarcastic, this is great!

Save the celebration, we still have a very long ways to go if this is going to be implemented.

 

[blackheart]

How come the governors aren't subject to the will of the people in this proposal? They're an elected office like all the ministers and the president.

 

[Strider]

How come the governors aren't subject to the will of the people in this proposal? They're an elected office like all the ministers and the president.

Actually, that's just my mistake... I forgot to add that on. It's changed now.

 

[Black_Hole]

the domestic still has too much power in this proposal

 

[Strider]

the domestic still has too much power in this proposal

How so? If anything it weakens Domestic as it allows science and the govonors to post a poll/discussion over Distribution of funds.

 

[Epimethius]

Don't overlap powers! We don't need checks between department! All this will do is lead to big battles over juristiction! Overlap bad!

The current system is fine. It does not need checks and balances between departments, it only needs one from the people on them. And it does not need juristictional overlap, we all saw what happened when Provo got bored, now imagine the battle that would take place if that were actually constitutional. Two sets of instructions really solves a problem we never had. And we don't need a solution to who orders spaceship parts, because the national project system is already in place.

This is really pissing me off. I feel like no one is listening to me. This is all a useless waste of time! This will only make things much worse! Go RP or something!

 

[Strider]

Don't overlap powers! We don't need checks between department! All this will do is lead to big battles over juristiction! Overlap bad!

The current system is fine. It does not need checks and balances between departments, it only needs one from the people on them. And it does not need juristictional overlap, we all saw what happened when Provo got bored, now imagine the battle that would take place if that were actually constitutional. Two sets of instructions really solves a problem we never had. And we don't need a solution to who orders spaceship parts, because the national project system is already in place.

This is really pissing me off. I feel like no one is listening to me. This is all a useless waste of time! This will only make things much worse! Go RP or something!

If you read through it, your notice that all jurisdiction problems are decided ultimatly by the people, and shouldn't make it a problem.

The national project system is quite possibly one of the least thought out system I have ever seen. It solves nothing, it does nothing, it is a piece of crap.

Our current system lacks in so much it is almost impossible to list them all. Not only does it leave out the key components of Wonder Placement, Espionage, and the Place of Spaceship parts, but it also leaves large jurisdiction issue's as to what leaders can or can not do. What if military posts instructions to upgrade say 10 units, but trade also posted instructions to use that gold elsewhere? The current system is not thought out, and it fails to serve almost any purpose.

 

[Epimethius]

What if military posts instructions to upgrade say 10 units, but trade also posted instructions to use that gold elsewhere?

Then it is the Domestic's power, as established, to settle the dispute, because Domestic has power over the funds. Domestic has power over funds for espionage, as well. Both of these can be polled, and should be, by domestic however. Were military or FA to poll it, however, I garuntee you a fight would go down.

And spaceship parts are a national project like all others. They're practically the definition of a national project.

The only reason why it looks bad to you is because you don't seem to be taking into account everything that has been worked out. Before I pointed out it was already in existance, you'd never even heard of the National Project System.

 

[Cyc]

Well, Strider. I agree with you that National Projects are pretty much a waste of time, other than being background goals. They don't work as forceable mandates.

But as far as the rest, and I have read and considered all of it, the only thing I see as constructive is the Science Advisor being put in charge of the Spaceship Parts. Your document takes the strong earth of one Department and mixes it with the flowing waters of another, giving you something that resembles mud...

I agree with Ravensfire that no matter how you slice it, this document is a veiled attempt at giving the MA and the CL power over the Governor's build queues. That piece of legislation is in every document you guys produce. These additional attempts to glean support for the idea has prompted you to create changes that have taken you over the edge. You have definitely gone too far.

I totally disagree with these changes. Well as I said the Spaceship Parts change would work.