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[DEV] Resources Procurement

Discussion in 'R.E.D. World War II Edition' started by Gedemon, Sep 22, 2013.

  1. Juan King

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    So would the convoy system be varied amongst the different resources (i.e not just gold and material)?

    The UK, for example, got around 80% of it's oil by the end of the war from the US. Might need a fair few more convoys! :)
     
  2. Gedemon

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    yes :)
     
  3. Juan King

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  4. Xiombargdei

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    Hello,

    I discovered your mod this weekend and couldn't stop playing it. It's really good!

    I'm wondering how far are you from implementing strategic ressources, as this is a much needed feature for any WWII scenario ?
     
  5. Tivann

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    Hello, i was perfoming some research on the world war in the pacific for some large school project a bunch of years ago. Maybe this could help you a little bit. Sadly i dont have further maps for the rest of the world and Bauxit isnt marked as well (probably you have to get a little creativ here^^)

    Source is a collection of Newspaper articels from the war period.
    This Map was published in the "Berliner Illustrierte Zeitung" 1941.
    Spoiler :

    Just found it on google books as well, if u want to see the original colors:Link


    I cant remember where i read it, but the japanese statet that they need the massiv oil reserves in Borneo and Sumatra to sustain a war against America :)

    Hope u keep up the mod development.
    Greetings from Germany
     
  6. Gedemon

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    thanks, exactly the kind of maps I'm looking for :)
     
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  8. DanAndStuff

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    This looks really good but for balancing there will be some changes needed (Especially on the world maps. Can't give China/Japan/US no resources). I like the swedish deposits, some of the historic german-swedish iron trade can be implemented with that.

    It really depends on how resources will be used to be honest.
    If the allies share resources it looks alright atm but if it's each country on it's own like in vanilla Civ there will be some more deposits needed in the allied colonies. Generally just looks a bit sparse right now but then again I have no idea how resources are used by units and buildings, how much each deposit yields etc. but I'm excited :)

    And I'll just leave this here if it's ever needed *cough* :
     

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  10. Gedemon

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    There'll be convoy specific for each nation, but they can spawn near a common source (ie: oil for France, U.K. from the refineries in the Caribbeans/Venezuela)

    And it's based on the Europe map, I've just started the rest of the world, because I'd like to be sure first that there is nothing missing in Europe :)

    thanks, I think that was in the OP, but the link had changed...
     
  11. ruckingit

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    I've done a fair amount of research on aluminum production during the war. What format would be most helpful? A couple options:

    A scanned copy of a world map with my notes and locations on it.
    Google map with layers... Is there a way to share these?
    Input directly into world builder... Euro '39? Which world map do you like best?
     
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    OK, I've got the top 50 or so bauxite mines here:

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zPymlmYUvZmE.kDzOhhbEVWIQ&usp=sharing

    Green are the larger mines, yellow medium, and red the smaller. I'm adjusting them for balance as I find production values per location. I'll put the outputs, convoy routes, or other info (like rail connections or starting dates in) as I update them.

    Which year would you like the production to be based on?
     
  14. Gedemon

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    great work !

    Initially, I plan to use the major deposit and only some of the medium small (for nations that can't be supplied from the major's)

    I can/may code new deposit to spawn middle game (or change production), but only when it's relevant with the above.

    Now it can't hurt to have a more detailed map than what's actually needed, for future features. It can also give me more ideas for implementation.

    edit: not sure for production date, maybe 1939 to start low then I can scale production globally to simulate the increased exploitation everywhere (and then code specifically something if a deposit output was in fact lowered during the war)
     
  15. ruckingit

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    Added a layer with each country's bauxite production as a % of world market in 1939. I figured that would be the most useful number for balancing mine yields on a world map. Most mines' production stayed roughly even during the war due to labor shortages. The Caribbean dropped off massively due to the U-boat threat while the US domestic production increased 1600% and USSR domestic increased 100%. Any preference on which resource to do next?
     
  16. ruckingit

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    I drew up a spreadsheet and summarized production data into % of world output for 1939. Some of the numbers are approximations because the data was merged (ex: Japan occupied parts of China).

    Spoiler :


    1939 Strategic Resource Production by Country

    Column 1
    Oil % Coal % Iron % Bauxite %
    Africa
    Algeria 0.00% 0.00% 2.01% 0.00%
    Belgian Congo 0.00% 0.00% 0.01% 0.00%
    Egypt 0.23% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    French Morocco 0.00% 0.01% 0.26% 0.00%
    Spanish Morocco 0.00% 0.00% 0.79% 0.00%
    Mozambique 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Nigeria 0.00% 0.02% 0.00% 0.00%
    Southern Rhodesia 0.00% 0.09% 0.00% 0.00%
    South Africa 0.00% 1.30% 0.39% 0.00%
    Tunisia 0.00% 0.00% 0.53% 0.00%
    North America
    Canada 0.34% 0.86% 0.06% 0.00%
    Newfoundland 0.00% 0.00% 1.10% 0.00%
    Mexico 2.30% 0.05% 0.14% 0.00%
    US 59.95% 31.11% 33.50% 9.19%
    Cuba 0.00% 0.00% 0.17% 0.00%
    South America
    Argentine 0.93% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Bolivia 0.01% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Brazil 0.00% 0.08% 0.61% 0.42%
    British Guiana 0.00% 0.00% 11.21%
    Chile 0.00% 0.14% 1.24% 0.00%
    Colombia 1.20% 0.03% 0.00% 0.00%
    Ecuador 0.11% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Peru 0.63% 0.01% 0.00% 0.00%
    Suriname 0.00% 0.00% 11.86%
    Trinidad 0.95% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Venezuela 10.71% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Asia
    British Borneo 0.33% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    China w/o Manchuria 0.00% 1.37% 0.05% 0.00%
    Manchuria 0.00% 1.61% 0.00% 0.00%
    Indo-China 0.00% 0.20% 0.09% 0.05%
    India 0.11% 1.92% 2.50% 0.21%
    Burma 0.38% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Iran 3.62% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Iraq 1.34% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Japan & Formosa 0.13% 3.84% 0.00% 0.00%
    Korea 0.00% 0.19% 0.00% 0.00%
    Malay States 0.00% 0.03% 1.60% 2.17%
    Netherlands Indies 2.79% 0.14% 0.00% 5.35%
    Philippines 0.00% 0.00% 0.82% 0.00%
    Saudi Arabia 0.19% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Bahrein Islands 0.36% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    USSR 10.63% 11.21% 17.26% 6.26%
    Europe
    Albania 0.04% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
    Austria 0.04% 0.02% 1.13% 0.00%
    Belgium 0.00% 2.29% 0.08% 0.00%
    Bulgaria 0.00% 0.01% 0.02% 0.00%
    Czechoslovakia 0.01% 1.06% 0.31% 0.00%
    France 0.02% 3.86% 12.68% 18.54%
    Hungary 0.05% 0.09% 0.28% 11.59%
    Germany 0.23% 14.30% 0.00% 0.00%
    Greece 0.00% 0.00% 0.19% 4.33%
    Ireland 0.00% 0.01% 0.00% 0.00%
    Italy 0.00% 0.16% 0.62% 11.22%
    Netherlands 0.00% 0.99% 0.00% 0.00%
    Norway 0.00% 0.05% 1.17% 0.00%
    Poland 0.18% 2.93% 0.00% 0.00%
    Portugal 0.00% 0.02% 0.00% 0.00%
    Romania 2.18% 0.02% 0.09% 0.25%
    Spain 0.00% 0.51% 1.38% 0.00%
    Sweden 0.00% 0.03% 10.49% 0.00%
    Switzerland 0.00% 0.00% 0.08% 0.00%
    UK 0.00% 18.06% 5.55% 0.00%
    Turkey 0.00% 0.21% 0.19% 0.00%
    Yugoslavia 0.00% 0.03% 0.41% 7.29%
    Australia
    Australia 0.00% 1.06% 2.17% 0.06%
    New Zealand 0.00% 0.08% 0.06% 0.00%


     
  17. Gedemon

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    Oil, Coal, Iron, whatever you want :)

    And thanks, the % of world market is very helpful, yes.
     
  18. ruckingit

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    1939 Oil Production Map:

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zPymlmYUvZmE.k0Wd32YMo71g&usp=sharing

    Notes: Most reserves, particularly those in the Middle East, were not tapped until after the war.

    Italy had almost no production, relied on her reserves and Germany's contributions, yet had massive known, untapped reserves in Libya.

    Japan had almost no production as well and imported well over 90% of her oil. After FDR's oil embargo, the plan grew to capture the Dutch East Indies, one of the top 4 exporters in the world.

    Germany had minor deposits but overland Romanian supplies were critical.

    Over 80% of the USSR's supply came from the Caucasus, a target of Operation Barbarossa.

    Germany made no plans to invade Iraq or Iran, yet UK launched surprise attacks on both, possibly highlighting her utter desperation for oil. By mid war 80% of UK supply was from the US.

    US imported half of Venezuela's output, processed it domestically, then shipped the refined fuels to UK.

    While Norway had no oil, Germany did capture 5M barrels of oil from her reserves.
     
  19. Gedemon

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    great work again !

    I've read somewhere that the production of oil fields on US west coast was enough to supply the Pacific theatre for almosf all the war (and was exported to Japan before the embargo), but do you know if those were relatively big enough to be placed on the (scenario) map ?
     
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