JFL_Dragon
Civfanatics Staff
You know the one where if your add gpt it goes from being
close to a deal to being insulted
close to a deal to being insulted
Did they fix that gpt bug in 1.29f
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JFL_Dragon
Civfanatics Staff
Well its a bug when you offer 200 gold and the advisor says its close to a deal but offer 200 gold plus 20gpt and he would be insulted ????
JFL_Dragon
Civfanatics Staff
Reputation is low, the issue here is that when you add something more it goes the opposite way
200 + 20gpt is better than 200gp.
200 + 20gpt is better than 200gp.
Masquerouge
Deity
Of course it goes the opposite way ! When you give 200 gold, the AI is 100% certain he'll have it. When you give 200+20 gpt, the AI is like, "woooow wait a minute here, he's offering me gpt and he's got a bad reputation ? He'll try to screw me on that deal !"
All the Ai sees is the possible rip-off, not the possible gain.
But I agree it is strange to see the AI becoming furious when you've got the FEELING you're offering more.
All the Ai sees is the possible rip-off, not the possible gain.
But I agree it is strange to see the AI becoming furious when you've got the FEELING you're offering more.
JFL_Dragon
Civfanatics Staff
Originally posted by Masquerouge
Of course it goes the opposite way
I dont understand that comment.
In both cases the Ai gets the 200gp upfront.
The second case you are giving it just a little more,
even if the AI thinks you are going to break it, it should at
the minimum stay the same.
They could have also severely discounted the gpt component for a bad reputation.
I not even sure whether they did this
This whole area was a disaster and has been well documented in many previous threadsrelating to gpt deals
Masquerouge
Deity
Yeah, I was a bit pushy on the "of course" comment
In fact I had the same reaction first time an AI got angry when I was offering more, but the explanation satisfies me. But that's me... Obviously you're not satisfied
In fact I had the same reaction first time an AI got angry when I was offering more, but the explanation satisfies me. But that's me... Obviously you're not satisfied
Masquerouge
Deity
Naaah, he was 'close to a deal'
Hey maybe that's the whole point !
Suppose the AI wants 210. You give him 200, it is 'close to a deal'.
Now if you give him 200 + 20 GPT, AND have a bad reputation, the AI KNOWS it will only get 200... And so it becomes angry. Because it wants 210.
Is that a better explanation, JFL_dragon ?
Hey maybe that's the whole point !
Suppose the AI wants 210. You give him 200, it is 'close to a deal'.
Now if you give him 200 + 20 GPT, AND have a bad reputation, the AI KNOWS it will only get 200... And so it becomes angry. Because it wants 210.
Is that a better explanation, JFL_dragon ?
JFL_Dragon
Civfanatics Staff
No the Ai is not willing to accept that 200gp.
The AI says its close to a deal. So you offer a little more
and the AI would never accept such a deal. It just not
logical in my own opinion.
If I was selling something for $210, and one of my dodgy friends offered me $200 and I said no. And he said how about $200 now and $50 next week, I would most likely accept, but my opinion
would become worse.
The AI says its close to a deal. So you offer a little more
and the AI would never accept such a deal. It just not
logical in my own opinion.
If I was selling something for $210, and one of my dodgy friends offered me $200 and I said no. And he said how about $200 now and $50 next week, I would most likely accept, but my opinion
would become worse.
i feel reputation is useless, since those psycho AIs may join up a MMP and attack u. Therefore, even if u didn't do bad thing(in human common sense) your relation with other empires will go down..eventually
concerning the gpt bug, i never experience it because i never pay gpt, but instead lump sum.
concerning the gpt bug, i never experience it because i never pay gpt, but instead lump sum.
Masquerouge
Deity
Yeah, I never pay GPT, too. But I'm pretty sure it's not a bug either... Because of my (brilliant) explanation above. 
JFL_Dragon
Civfanatics Staff
I usually pay lump sum too but sometimes when I dont have quite the cash, I get frustrated when its viewed worse
Masquerouge
Deity
Hey JFL I hate to repeat myself but I found an explanation that seems really plausible for why it gets angry...
Suppose the AI wants 210. You give him 200, it is 'close to a deal'.
Now if you give him 200 + 20 GPT, AND have a bad reputation, the AI KNOWS it will only get 200... And so it becomes angry. Because it wants 210.
No ?
Suppose the AI wants 210. You give him 200, it is 'close to a deal'.
Now if you give him 200 + 20 GPT, AND have a bad reputation, the AI KNOWS it will only get 200... And so it becomes angry. Because it wants 210.
No ?
JFL_Dragon
Civfanatics Staff
Ok in that case the gpt is discounted by 100% to zero for a bad reputation. You really have too screw up your credit rating really
badly for a bank to discount your cashflow by 100%
badly for a bank to discount your cashflow by 100%
Masquerouge
Deity
Yes, you're not bank-friendly when you have a bad reputation
But you can't have it all... Crush them to dust AND rob them in deals
But you can't have it all... Crush them to dust AND rob them in deals
JFL, stupid question, but you do have the 20 gpt to trade to them. If you're only making 15 gpt and offer them 20 gpt, they won't accept it even if you include your whole civ. Because they know you're offering them 5 gpt you don't have.
