Do you like Opera?

What Browser to you primarily use at the CFC site?

  • Opera (6.xx is current)

    Votes: 10 27.8%
  • Netscape 6.xx

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Netscape 4.xx (or earlier)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mozilla (any)

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • MS IE 6.xx (or higher)

    Votes: 14 38.9%
  • MS IE 5.01

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • MS IE 5.5, or 5.00 & earlier

    Votes: 7 19.4%
  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • Total voters
    36
by baseballtwin:
How about the sweet mouse gestures. They are great as well. I learned about them by accident. Anyone with an Opera Browser just hold down the right mouse button and move it down. Up pops a new window. Fantastic
WOW, that's really yet another great feature! I'll need to learn about that, too. It looks like there are lots of things you can do with mouse gestures!! There is so much cool stuff in Opera, that I have not tried a lot of it yet.
 
Originally posted by chiefpaco
Another thing, as it comes to mind:

I like Opera for the fact that when it crashes, it does not force me to reboot windows, as IE often did on my PC.

What's cool is if Opera crashes it gives you the option to start where you left off next time you open it.

I've been using Opera for a while now. Probably for different reasons than you. I just hate Microsoft. I don't want to support them in any way and want my privacy to stay private.

I dig the bookmarking. IE always forces folders in the favorites.

I hate them.
 
Originally posted by starlifter
by baseballtwin:

WOW, that's really yet another great feature! I'll need to learn about that, too. It looks like there are lots of things you can do with mouse gestures!! There is so much cool stuff in Opera, that I have not tried a lot of it yet.

Yep. After a few days learning, I am a mouse gesture adept. Not quite a black belt yet, but I've learned the back, forward, new window, refresh, new window (same as current window), and close window.

Now I don't need the toolbar any more! And I browse so much faster! Fascinate your friends!

Now, Opera is starting to crash a bit more often on me. Not sure if it's because I'm can now browse at quadruple the speed as I used to in IE, but as said, any time it does, windows stays up and when re-opening, all the Opera windows that were up are restored.

I started using it upon learning of it here at CFC, perhaps about a month ago. Can't remember the thread then but it was in this forum somewhere...
 
Starlifter dude, I have a few Q's on opera before I run a testing scheme on it:

1. How does it handle Java? (I can install the java thing from SUN easily, if it needs it)
2. How does it handle ActiveX?
3. How does it handle bad code? IE is forgiving mostly, especially because people use M$ Frontpage to code. How does Opera treat bad code?
4. How does it handle right-to-left languages such as Hebrew?
5. Is it easy to configure it to use a proxy server and LAN?
6. Does it spout CSS well?
7. Is it compatible with all the latest W3C compliances like IE 6?
 
Starlifter dude, I have a few Q's on opera before I run a testing scheme on it:

1. How does it handle Java? (I can install the java thing from SUN easily, if it needs it)
2. How does it handle ActiveX?
3. How does it handle bad code? IE is forgiving mostly, especially because people use M$ Frontpage to code. How does Opera treat bad code?
4. How does it handle right-to-left languages such as Hebrew?
5. Is it easy to configure it to use a proxy server and LAN?
6. Does it spout CSS well?
7. Is it compatible with all the latest W3C compliances like IE 6?
1. Yes. Java is not Browser-Specific. All users of all Browsers... everyone reading this... can (and generally should) run Java version 1.4.

2. As far as I can tell, just fine. I control active X via AtGuard, though.

3. Bad code? Well, some menus will have the typical misaligned look, or all the data choices of certain styles piled on top. It does not crash, if that's what you mean. In my prior posts, I posted the technical details from Opera about exactly what the engine does, it differences, and compliance.

4. Never tried Hebrew... have a look at the Opera site.

5. Yes.

6. Yes. No browser engine (the thing inside all browsers that actually formats and displays the page... in Netscape, the engine is Mozilla, for instance) implements all the CSS white paper features. MS makes some of its own rules & changes. Programs like TopStyle work fine. I have used and edited the CSS for CivFanatics, and it works fine with Opera. Like anything, if a site does not work right with one browser, then use another one for that site. I've found parts of 3 sites (out of about 400 that I personally use) that Opera does not display well.

7. IE6 is not compliant. No browser engine in existance (that I know of) is. MS makes its own rules, and has it's own "interpretations" of W3C, which is part of why other browsers do not display some MS-generated HTML, etc., the same as IE does. MS is the "big gorilla", and does not want anyone using non-MS products to either generate web pages, or browse (or even run OS, apps, etc, for that matter).



Run Opera if you want... the only thing I regret is not trying it for many years (I used it a little years ago). No other browser, Netscape included, is a fast, stable, well-behaved, compact, and most definitely nowhere nearly as feature-laden as Opera. Opera uses fewer CPU cycles and much fewer resources, too.

:)
 
Okay Starlifter, I downloaded opera and like it.
Making the banner dissapear was pretty easy.
One question:

How do I get rid of pop ups? I have POW with all the things already intalled and working with IE and I made opera open in seperate windows but it still doesn't kill them.

How do I make POW kill pop ups? Or does opera have an integrated pop up killer?
 
Opera is not an ad-killing software, though you an easily contol popup, java, java scripts,etc. with file---> quick preferences.

At times, I have run 4 browsers at the same time (MS IE, 2 Netscapes, and Opera) for comparison. My ad killer (AtGuard) kills everything I want it to... it is not depended on the browser. It looks directly at the incoming/outgoing data. I have no idea how your ad killing software (POW?) works. I don't think I've even heard of it before.

If somone has no ad killing software, Opera does a passable job with ad annoyances, though. But it is not ad killing software pe se.
 
I just downloaded Opera and installed it based on all of your recommendations.
So far though I think that IE 5 runs smoother. I know I must be doing SOMETHING wrong for IE 5 to work smoother.

The typing seems choppy. Also things don't look centered. :(

Any ideas? I'm sure as I continue to use it (I always give something new at least three days of trying.) I'll think or observe some other things I'll have questions about.

Thanks to all you computer guys. :goodjob: Since I graduated from college I no longer have a CS major as a roomate to answer/fix things. :(
 
Thing will continue to look messed up and non-centered. I digged a bit and never found a way to get rid of that problem (before I deleted it) Anyway, now I'm using mozilla and I love it. A lot better than Opera IMO, even if Opera has some interesting features. I just hope someone will "borrow" those ideas for the next browsers :D
 
I use Opera. I had originally downloaded Opera 5 on my old computer a long time ago for testing web page compatability. (I design web pages) I loved it, but it was a 30-day trial back then, so I didn't use it much. I recently downloaded Mozilla when it came out for Windows (v1.0) to test compatability, and I loved Mozilla. I completely switched from Internet Explorer to Mozilla. Then I downloaded Opera 6..

I've hardly used Mozilla since.. I love Opera so much..

Opera is definately a program I would pay for (all it does for me is remove the banner ads built in to the browser.. and I don't mind banner ads at all.. but I really think Opera deserves it. Now if only I had money =P) Oh well =P

The only thing I'm worried about.. when I go back to school in a few weeks I'll be the teacher aide for the computer teacher.. and while that means I'll probably be able to use the much superior Linux.. I'll probably have to use Internet Explorer (ICKH!!!!! *Puke* *Hack* Gah!) when using Windows.. unless I can convine him to install Opera.. ;D
 
I am not sure what Unknown Soldier and Daaraa are encountering with choppy movement.

I am very technical, and have programs tha monitor programs running at all times on my machines. Chopiness probably means something is stealing CPU cycles, and that something is not Opera, which uses less than IE. It may be antivirus, ad-busting stuff, firewall, spyware (a good possiblilty unless you know how to find it on your machine and remove it), using an Internal 14.4 thru 56K modem, MS Resource problems, and literally dozens of other things.

One thing is guaranteed. If there are problems like US and Daaraa describe, they are not defects with Opera... something else is going on, as I've put Opera thru the wringer for a week, including on low-end machines down to 400MHz.

I suggest you use something simple like WinTop (a tiny program) if using Win9x/ME. WinNTx (2K & XP) have a built in process and load monitor in the ctrl-alt-del popup options.
 
I think I notice the cursor might jump a little when a page begins to load (at least when using the scrollbar at the same time) but I'm not sure if that is Opera or not. =P
 
Is my fav non-IE browsing tool.

It's relatively fast, has good standards support, and includes useful little development tools (like a javascript debugger, and a DOM inspector).

And no banner ads.
 
I use IE 5.50, because that's what most clients use (at least last year). But I have a friend who swears by Opera. He's installed it on my machine, and it is a nice test browser. I write simple reliable code, but often the old Netscape 4.08 won't render properly. If IE 5.50 does and Opera does, I ignore Netscape.

BTW, IE 5.50 can print reports with pagination properly, but the IE 6 a few months back wouldn't. Interestingly, you had to code the opposite of the MicroSoft recommendations to make IE 6 print with correct pagination, so we agnored it and asked people, why did you upgrade from IE 5.5? Someday, I'll need to resolve that.

Anyway, Opera is surely great --, if you don't need to live in the world with all of the people afflicted by MS code.
 
Several very common reasons for jumping mice pointers are the number of cached icons (too many WILL start to cause it), or the Read Ahead buffer in MS's lousy Disk Cache. I set mine to ZERO, since with IDE drives, if a simultaneous request for a disk read occurs, it will cause tiny "pauses" or "jitters". I tried it (deliberatly) today, and sure enough, it was there (Opera or not!)... its an OS issue.

Also, the location and fragmentation of your Swap File can (will) cause it, under many circumstances. MS cannot control it's own swapfile in defrag... which is typical of sloppy work by MS. You need a good defrag program like Norton to do make your swapfile run well (called pagefile.sys in NTx). I position my swapfile (and my pagefile for NTx) on the outer disk track (the absolute fastest location) with Norton. MS in utterly incapable of doing this. You also need to set your Swapfile to PERMANENT. MS will not do this for you. But you can force it, and MS will complain loudly and scare you with warnings if you try, but it is the right thing to do for performance.

PageFile Call Async Manager can be disabled (MS enables it). This stops the MS Memory Manager from asynchronsly writing out swap file buffers during VFAT idle times. This reduces Virtual Memory swapping, but should only be done if you have large amounts of free memory.


There are dozens of other things, and most are technical, and only required because MS is so utterly bad at delivering a good OS to the consumer. You almost need to be a rocket scientist just to get a MS operating system working anywhere near its best efficiency. The average user has no chance setting up their OS in the most optimum way.

So it's just self-defense to learn about your OS, if you are stuck with MS.

BTW, I use MS Win95 OSR 2.1, and do things with it the MS testifies in court are impossible, and therefore why they commit their crimes. It is of the ultimate Irony that Win95 OSR 2.5 and 2.1, if you can tame the beast, is much faster than any MS GUI OS, except Win98xx . Mine Win95 is more stable than most people running Win2K, and especially XP.

However, Win95 does have certain limitations, since MS has included some things in DKs to developers that render some programs impossible to run in Win95... most notably for me is Photoshop 6.xx and 7.xx, which I use Win2K.

No OS after Win95 can reboot as fast. All MS OSs will crash, and more frequently for power users. On this particular install of Win95, I've run it stable on an overclocked machine (e.g, hot chip) for over 2 years (not continiously, but without reinstallling it). My registry is error-free (but about 8 MB with hundreds upon undreds of installed programs) and compact (no data holes). But then I have had to learn lots more about the MS crap since all the government computers in our offices run it, LOL. MS practically gives the software to us Gov't entities, since it forces lots of people to buy the real things to be compatible.



BTW, for most people I'd just recommend Win98(SE) with all the updates. There are dozens of updates. Apply them, and do it in the right order, for best performance ;). If your machine is running "OK", don't run off and dowload stuff and install it, unless you know exactly why you are doing it, though. :)
 
Opera does seem great and all... but if you can't customize the menu's so they take as little place as mine do at the moment with IE 6... well then I'm not gonna use it.

This image is my current screen in a 50% (resized) screenshot.
 

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The registered version is anyways.I kinda like the keyboard shortcuts for back,forward,home etc.

That is just about the nicest avatar I have ever seen :goodjob:
 
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