[NFP] Domination Victory Elimination Thread

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Alexander/Macedon [21]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [12]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [17]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21] (20+1) In kind of an inverse to Colombia, Montezuma gets stronger the larger the map is. Plus, once you have conquered just 1 neighbor, you really get the steamroller moving by collecting those extra luxuries. And you can use slaves to finish that campus to research the next war tech....
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [4] (7-3) A very fun civ to play as, but lacking any major war bonuses compared to who is left on the list
Pericles/Greece [7]
Peter/Russia [11]
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [20]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [28]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [10]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [16]
 
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Alexander/Macedon [21]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [12]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [17]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [4]
Pericles/Greece [7]
Peter/Russia [12] (11 + 1) My first upvote for Peter. Despite not being designed for domination, he's one of the best domination leaders in my opinion. He should be the first or second to get a pantheon, and he generates massive amounts of faith for a lower investment than anyone else. Once he completes the Grandmaster's Chapel, Peter can buy a powerful army at once. This crusade-style warmongering is different from other civs but no less powerful, and the Cossacks are great.
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [20]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [28]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7] (10 - 3) Same as others say, his bonus only helps you on the home continent, which usually means against the closest neighbor. Sometimes you start next to a continent boundary and no other civs on your home continent. His real military advantage is being hard to invade.
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [16]
 
Alexander/Macedon [21]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [9] (12-3) The imperial guard is a fantastic defensive unit but it's hard to use for conquest due to it's territorial limitations. The French feel pretty locked into a Culture victory.
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [17]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [4]
Pericles/Greece [7]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [20]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [29] (28+1) Extra movement, stacking buffs, free generals, it's all been stated many times over already
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [16]
 
Alexander/Macedon [22] (21+1) Still plenty of good warmongers on the board. Voting for the one I enjoy the most.
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [9]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [17]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [4]
Pericles/Greece [7]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [20]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [29]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13] (16-3) England's been improved but still seems weaker than a lot of civs who are on lower.
 
Alexander/Macedon [23] (22+1) Agreed that he's fun.
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [9]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [15] (18-3) Naval domination will only get you that far.
Gitarja/Indonesia [17]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [4]
Pericles/Greece [7]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [20]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [29]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [23]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [9]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [15]
Gitarja/Indonesia [17]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [4]
Pericles/Greece [4] (7-3) Pericles is just not suited for this. Hoplites are a marginally better version of what is a really bad unit, and their main advantage is that they're cheaper and get benefits from being spammed. But Pericles can't spam Hoplites because Pericles need to get Acropoles up as quickly as possible to cement relations with City-States, and Acropoles and Hoplites come online at roughly the same time. Gorgo has the advantage of being able to ignore Acropoles for a little bit due to the culture on kills, but Pericles can't take advantage of Hoplites like Gorgo can without giving up Pericles' best feature. Fundamentally quite a defensively-oriented Civ, in my view.
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [20]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30] (29+1) This one doesn't really need an explanation.
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [24] (23+1) Alex gets past the problem of feeling like you’re abandoning your empire when you start bulldozing everyone in your way. Normally you might look back and see a big hit on amenities. No war weariness helps a lot. I also love incentives to go to war or to build units. He has both of these in spades. Conquering cities with wonders keeps your momentum strong.
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [6] (9-3) Normally I’m a big fan of Catherine. But the visibility bonus combat boost is pretty weak and spies don’t have many substantial bonuses to help in war. They will steal a few techs and some coin, but nothing that will help you compared to straight combat bonuses the top tier contenders have.
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [15] @Weraptor, was the downvote for Gilgamesh meant for Gitarja?
Gitarja/Indonesia [17]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pachacuti/Inca [7]
Pedro/Brazil [4]
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [20]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]

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Alexander/Macedon [24]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [6]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [15] (I also think @Wereraptor's downvote was meant for Gitarja but will wait for official correction)
Gitarja/Indonesia [17]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pachacuti/Inca [4] (7 - 3) Inca are good, but they are primarily defensive builders. And their bonuses are so tied to their terrain that they become almost Vanilla outside of hills and mountains.
Pedro/Brazil [5] (4 + 1) I'm going to repair Pedro just a little bit before he's gone for good. I feel like Brazil is one of the more underrated Civs in the game generally, but in terms of domination, the extra Great People points count for every Great Person except for the Prophet, meaning extra science and gold in addition to the extra great generals and admirals, not to mention a lot of extra Golden Age points over the course of the game. The UU isn't early, and it isn't land-based. But it's a ranged naval combat unit that (IIRC) is the most powerful-for-its-era unique in the whole game. It is effectively uncounterable when you attack with it. And since Brazil tends to be rolling in amenities (and have easier than average Golden/Heroic Ages) it's easier to hold onto the coastal cities where you make landfall. They're not the best at Domination, and that's not their best Victory Track, but they've got a strategy for it and it is strong.
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [20]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [24]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [7] (6 + 1): As I've stated before, and to the contrary of what some people are saying in the thread, Catherine does have a combat boost. Because of her diplomatic visibility, you get an extra +3 combat strength at minimum when warring an opponent. And thanks to her early spy, you can even extend that to +6 in the Medieval Era. Deceptively good at the victory type, and better than some of the other Civs left in the pool (Inca, Brazil, PeriGreece, and maybe even Teddy).
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [14]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pachacuti/Inca [1] (4 - 3): Started the Pachacuti dogpile, I'll chip in right before it finishes. To restate the point, he's a defensive sim-city isolation Civ, who really doesn't want to go on the offensive.
Pedro/Brazil [5]
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [20]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]

EDIT: Corrected for Weraptor
 
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Alexander/Macedon [25] (24+1) If I had to go for domination, he'd be my pick. Two really good UUs that come right when you want them, eurekas and inspirations roll in as you capture cities, and you're rewarded for training troops.
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [7]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18] Fixed for Weraptor.
Gitarja/Indonesia [14] Fixed for Weraptor.
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pachacuti/Inca [eliminated] (1-3) Might as well. Nothing special in regards to helping with domination outside of that mountain bias, which the already eliminated Lautaro also with a combat bonus.
Pedro/Brazil [5]
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [20]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [25]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [7]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [14]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [17]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pedro/Brazil [2] [5-3] The Battleship can shred coastal cities, but so can the default ones. Still too situational on most maps. I'd rather have Gitarja's Jong at Mercenaries under identical circumstances.
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [16]
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [21] [20+1] GC is great and all, but Shaka makes a laugher out of domination games as well. The steamroll is slightly postponed, but remains decisive.
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [25]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [7]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [14]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [14] 17-3 I don't see any domination advantage here. Swordsman replacement is the only advantage, but legions are better and after AI fix making AI able to sttion ranged units in city, IMO Ngao Mpeba is better too. And why go domination if you have clear tourism path
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pedro/Brazil [2]
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [17] 16+1 Permament +4 strength over any oppononent. And you don't even need to found religion. + Conquistadors
Saladin/Arabia [16]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [21]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
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Alexander/Macedon [25]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [7]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [14]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [15] (14+1) I’ll be damned if Kupe goes before Civs like Arabia, Spain, or (IMO) Norway. Instant access to Quadriremes & Galleys = total domination of the seas early on. Massive production boost in capital & first cities = ability to create huge armies very quick. Instant access to ocean travel = ability to plant settlements on foreign continents to launch multi-pronged global attacks. Strong culture game = quick access to Corps/Armies & Fleets/Armadas. Free faith from tiles = income for Grand Masters Chapel. And, to top it all off, an insanely powerful UU that requires no resources and can be upgraded from warriors. He is really very, *very* good at domination.
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pedro/Brazil [2]
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [17]
Saladin/Arabia [13] (16-3) Can definitely do conquest of a neighbour or two - he usually has a solid science lead, and Mamluks are very good. But other Civs have better science, and many Civs have better warfare bonuses. Plus, every foreign city you conquer as Saladin means one less use of his LA (+1 science per foreign city following your religion), so it’s actually counter-productive to go on a massive conquest spree.
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [21]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [24]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [7]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [25]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [7]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [14]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [15]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pedro/Brazil [2]
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [17]
Saladin/Arabia [13]
Seondeok/Korea [17]
Shaka/Zulu [21]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [25] (24+1) Serasker and Janissaries get all the love, but don't overlook their seige bonuses! With GS, siege is more important than ever and they get a strength bonus towards siege and they're the only civ that has access to build siege faster.
Teddy Roosevelt/America [4] (7-3) Yes, that +5 on continents is useful for an early rush but that's all they really bring to the table. You can use it for defense or to take over a neighbor. But beyond that, they don't get anything. Both their UUs are lackluster and come way to late to make a difference.
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [25]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [8] 7 +1=8 People seriously underestimate her. Her inherent +3 bonus due to intelligence is only 2 less than Teddy's continent bonus and it's good everywhere all game long. She also has a strong bias towards good resources.
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [14]
Gorgo/Greece [17]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [15]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pedro/Brazil [2]
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [17]
Saladin/Arabia [13]
Seondeok/Korea [14] 17-3=14 All that extra science is lovely but there's nothing here to make Korea a top-shelf war-monger.
Shaka/Zulu [21]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [25]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [4]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [25]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [8]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [14]
Gorgo/Greece [14] 17-3 = 14 Culture on kills just isn't that big of a contributor, imo. It's nice, but I'd certainly value Teddy's ability more for domination. I just see Gorgo as a worse Pericles for culture victory, and not really that geared towards domination despite her personality.
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [15]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [24]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pedro/Brazil [2]
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [17]
Saladin/Arabia [13]
Seondeok/Korea [14]
Shaka/Zulu [21]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [25]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [5] 4 + 1 = 5 It's true that their bonuses mostly focus on home continent, but being able to take over the whole continent quickly will give you a lot of land in which to make lots of units. Not top tier, but certainly better than many of the remaining civs
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [25]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [8]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [14]
Gorgo/Greece [14]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [15]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [25] (24+1) I don't have to use production for units, so I can focus more on infrastructure and science, which updates City-states units faster, which I then rent (not having to move my army across the world) and steamroll the globe.
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pedro/Brazil [eliminated] (2-3) One of my favorites to play as, but not war-centric enough to survive any longer on this list.
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [17]
Saladin/Arabia [13]
Seondeok/Korea [14]
Shaka/Zulu [21]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [25]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [5]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [25]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [5] (8-3) Similarly to what I say below, Catherine's +3 combat strength from intelligence doesn't even compensate for the AI's permanent +4 CS on Deity. And although you can strengthen her bonus (e.g. by creating a listening post with a spy), there are frankly more powerful ways of warmongering.
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [14]
Gorgo/Greece [14]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [15]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [25]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [17]
Saladin/Arabia [13]
Seondeok/Korea [15] (14+1) On Deity, the AI enjoys a permanent +4 combat strength advantage. That's on top of their increased production (= more units), increased gold (= more units), and increased science (= better units). Broadly speaking, there are three ways to counteract this (though the best domination Civs will fit into all three groups). First, we have Civs who get raw combat strength boosts to eliminate the AI's advantage (e.g. Zulu's corps, Mongolia's cavalry & diplo visibility, Aztec's luxuries, Hungary's leveed units, Bolivar's great generals, Gilgamesh's war carts). Second, you get Civs who can build more units than the AI to eliminate their advantage (e.g. Tomyris' cavalry, Amanitore's archers, Ottoman's siege units, or any of the 'high production' Civs like Australia/Japan). And third, you have Civs who are so amazing at science that they storm ahead in the tech tree and crush the AI with superior units. Korea is indisputably the king of this third category. So to say that "there's nothing here to make Korea a top-shelf war-monger" completely misses the point. In a one vs. one match between Korea and, say, the Ottomans or Zulu, Korea comes out on top, because she reaches archers first, she reaches swordsmen first, she reaches crossbows first, she reaches knights first, she reaches cuirassiers first – and before the AI knows what hits it, she is rolling around with Tanks in the high medieval period.
Shaka/Zulu [21]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [30]
Suleiman/Ottomans [25]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [5]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
Alexander/Macedon [25]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Catherine/France [2] (5-3) Just poor compared to the rest of the Civs on this list.
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [15]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [14]
Gorgo/Greece [14]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [16]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
John Curtin/Australia [16]
Kupe/Maori [15]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [25]
Montezuma/Aztec [21]
Pericles/Greece [4]
Peter/Russia [12]
Philip/Spain [17]
Saladin/Arabia [13]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [21]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [31] (30+1) Enjoy him while you can!!
Suleiman/Ottomans [25]
Teddy Roosevelt/America [5]
Tomyris/Scythia [17]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [13]
 
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