[NFP] Domination Victory Elimination Thread

[Leucarum]

@fredrikslicer - I have added your votes (below) to my totals

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gorgo/Greece [8]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [14]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [12]
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
Montezuma/Aztec [22]
Peter/Russia [6] (9-3) While I'm happy to defend Russia's strengh in cultural or religious games, I'm less sold on their domination advantages.
Philip/Spain [14]
Saladin/Arabia [8]
Seondeok/Korea [14]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [34]
Suleiman/Ottomans [27]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20] (19+1) Legions of reasons to upvote them...
Victoria/England [13]

 

[fredrikslicer]

@fredrikslicer - I didn't see your up/down votes added?

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gitarja/Indonesia [2]
Gorgo/Greece [8]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [14]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [12]
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
Montezuma/Aztec [22]
Peter/Russia [6] (9-3) While I'm happy to defend Russia's strengh in cultural or religious games, I'm less sold on their domination advantages.
Philip/Spain [14]
Saladin/Arabia [8]
Seondeok/Korea [14]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [33]
Suleiman/Ottomans [27]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20] (19+1) Legions of reasons to upvote them...
Victoria/England [13]

Gijarta down and Simon up

 

[bengalryan9]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gorgo/Greece [8]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [14]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9] (12-3) Has good infrastructure but that's about all he's got going for him in this area. Samurais aren't very good.
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
Montezuma/Aztec [22]
Peter/Russia [7] (6+1) No, it's not their culture game or their cossacks that make them good at domination. It's FAITH. You will get tons of faith from Lavras. You will get your pick of pantheons and can use that to further maximize your faith income (Auroras), get a leg up on colonization (Religious Settlements), or compliment your armies (God of War). You will get to Theology relatively quickly, which gives you a discount on faith purchasing AND unlocks the Grand Master's Chapel, which allows you to faith buy entire armies. This is their strength - the fact that they have a good UU and the culture to get to corps/armies and better policy cards is just the icing on top.
Philip/Spain [14] You do not need to found a religion of your own to benefit from Spain's bonuses. This has always been a huge misconception about them.
Saladin/Arabia [8]
Seondeok/Korea [14]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [34]
Suleiman/Ottomans [27]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[kryat]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gorgo/Greece [8]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [14]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
Montezuma/Aztec [22]
Peter/Russia [7]
Philip/Spain [15] (14+1) Philip is excellent at domination, even if he’s not the best. Conquistadors absolutely crush, hitting as hard as something two eras ahead. What other have said needs to be said louder as well: Spain’s domination strategy requires a majority religion, not a founded one. Of course, it’s even better if you get Crusade, but you can work with it either way.
Saladin/Arabia [5] (8-3) I’ve never been impressed by Saladin’s abilities. The science bonus is weak, even if the faith for armies is ok. The last prophet means you can get lazy with building holy sites and buildings when you shouldn’t be, and means you have less opportunity to get beliefs you need. The cavalry UU is pretty good, but so are lots of other UUs.
Seondeok/Korea [14]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [34]
Suleiman/Ottomans [27]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[enKage]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gorgo/Greece [8]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [14]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [26]
Montezuma/Aztec [23] 22+1 I haven't upvoted Monte and Tomyris yet, so this time Aztec. Bonus ammenity, bonus strength and insane early UU
Peter/Russia [7]
Philip/Spain [15]
Saladin/Arabia [2] 5-3 Much better civs were eliminated. Unique unit s the only thing Sal has and this UU is just middle tier. Should not survive so long, especially with desire to build holy sites
Seondeok/Korea [14]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [34]
Suleiman/Ottomans [27]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[The Highwayman]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gorgo/Greece [5] [8-3] Gorgo can get to the first government faster on average, but as stated by others, there's a difference between reward vs. up front advantage in regards to her LA. Strong overall leader and civ but Pericles is long gone and it's getting to be that time.
Harald Hardrada/Norway [14]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [27] [26+1] This investment vs. reward is incredible. Sure there's a risk of losing a suzerain, but if one does not get greedy, an early suze can be locked down fairly easily. The +2 movement and +5 combat strength doesn't require a denouncement or specific map location to be applicable. It can be all game long, everywhere. Boosts to production across the river helps develop cities faster. It's a universal boost but give it to me.
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [7]
Philip/Spain [15]
Saladin/Arabia [2]
Seondeok/Korea [14]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [34]
Suleiman/Ottomans [27]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[TCBB]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gorgo/Greece [5]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [14]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [27]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [8] (7+1)
Philip/Spain [12] (15-3) How to combine religion & warfare versus how not to combine religion & warfare. Peter sets up his infrastructure at his own pace, with very powerful bonuses, and then, when the time is right, can faith purchase a massive army to start conquering the world. Because he’s probably the best darn culture civ in the game bar Pericles, he also reaches theocracy & corps faster than anyone. But Philip plays this inane catch-up game from turn 1, trying to balance these random elements that don’t sync at all, while desperately counting down the turns until he reaches conquistadors. In my honest opinion, he is the worst Civ in the game.
Saladin/Arabia [2]
Seondeok/Korea [14]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [34]
Suleiman/Ottomans [27]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gorgo/Greece [5]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [14]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [6] (9-3) Half priced encampments actually synergize with scientific victory better by providing excellent defense and strategic resource storage. +5 CS for coastal is nice, but situational. Japan is one of the most generalist civs in the game, and they can do ok at domination, but they are starting to look weak at this point of the game. What's the saying, jack of all trades, master of none?
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [27]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [8]
Philip/Spain [12]
Saladin/Arabia [2]
Seondeok/Korea [15] (14+1) @CrabHelmet said it best: "The biggest problem for Domination wins is getting bogged down at one point with a particularly intransigent foe, falling level with tech, and then stalling outright." There's been too many times I've been playing traditional Dom civs and get stuck at a city because I'm woefully outclassed and my combat bonuses don't help. Korea gets great science from the start, and it's easy to maintain that lead. Despite having a defensive UU and no actual combat bonuses, they're quite powerful at domination because you can attack civs with units an era or two ahead of them.
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [34]
Suleiman/Ottomans [27]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[Weraptor]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [15]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gorgo/Greece [5]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [14]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [6]
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [27]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [8]
Philip/Spain [12]
Saladin/Arabia [-1] (2-3) ELIMINATED -- Interesting how the game shifted from Mamluk being perhaps the best unit to just sorta being there.
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35] (34+1) Yep. Played as these guys and won well before Llaneros even came online.
Suleiman/Ottomans [27]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[Jewelrunna]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16] (15 + 1): The Varu in the hands of Chandragupta are a legitimate terror. What you're essentially looking at is a 50 strength Horseman with a combat debuff running around completely leveling cities. Yes, the production investment is pretty heavy, but when you're considering a unit that's about 14 combat strength (minimum!) higher than anything else, it's worth the investment. And his unique CB is going to be relevant throughout the entire game.
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gorgo/Greece [5]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [14]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [6]
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [27]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [5] (8 - 3): While I'm not going to deny that Russia isn't bad at domination victories--generally speaking, they're just flat-out a good Civ--they're much less tailored towards the victory condition than everyone else remaining. Out of all the remaining Civs, they should be next up.
Philip/Spain [12] While I'll concede that Spain don't need to found a religion for their bonuses to activate, they're much worse if they do not found one. You want to war people that do not have the same religion as Spain, which is something that's much easier to control when you've founded one yourself. This makes their war bonuses pretty inconsistent (plus their playstyle naturally spreads religion around the map, which if you have someone else's religion, you're kind of helping them win the game by doing so). Sometimes they're a monster to fight in a war, but sometimes El Escorial just isn't a factor.
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35]
Suleiman/Ottomans [27]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[ADHansa]

New
Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [18]
Gorgo/Greece [5]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [11] (14-1) Except for fast ocean access, not much i can do with Harald i can't pull of with a non-naval civ
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [6]
John Curtin/Australia [13]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [27]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [5]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35]
Suleiman/Ottomans [28] (27+1) City centers becomes a liability to the opponent. Many nice synergistic abilities around jannisaries/bombards.
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[Arithmion]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [19] (18+1) One of the great snowballer civs. Eliminating your weakest neighbor with war carts, then using ziggurats to claw your way up to the tech level that the other civs get to by the mid game.
Gorgo/Greece [5]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [11]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [6]
John Curtin/Australia [10] (13-3) Like @Jewelrunna said with Russia, Curtin is just a ridiculously powerful civ in general, not specifically a domination civ. One of my favorites to play as, and one of the strongest, just not what this thread is about.
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [27]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [5]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35]
Suleiman/Ottomans [28]
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[BenitoChavez]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [19]
Gorgo/Greece [2] = 5 - 3. Strong culture and a extra policy slot are nice, but at this point everyone else but Russia has something better and I've already downvoted Russia.
Harald Hardrada/Norway [11]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [6]
John Curtin/Australia [10]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [27]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [5]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35]
Suleiman/Ottomans [29] = 28 + 1. My pick for 2nd best Domination civ. The unique governor by itself is great but Janissaries are what really makes The Ottomans shine. They are absolute monsters and are extremely cheap as well. Add in some cheap siege units and the Barbary Corsair and you got an extremely good Dom civ.
Tomyris/Scythia [19]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[comatosedragon]

Alexander/Macedon [26]
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [19]
Gorgo/Greece [2]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [11]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [6]
John Curtin/Australia [7] (10-3) Although the extra production mechanic can be fun and useful, it seems to me you have to play counter-intuitively in order to use it. I think a few of the Civs left on this list should last longer than Australia since this is a DOM focused list; even if in my mind Australia is a better civ overall.
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [27]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [5]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35]
Suleiman/Ottomans [30] (29+1) Of the 4 War Machines left, it will be very interesting to see who takes the top spot. I have already voted up the other three top dogs (hungary, aztec and colombia); so I am voting up the Ottomans this time, the only civ in the game to have a bonus to siege units.
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

 

[Josephias]

Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [19]
Gorgo/Greece [2]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [8] (11-3) Not downvoting Gorgo twice in a row, Harald gets the chop over Kupe and others in the list. While both nice for domination, having a strong navy and being able to stablish early footholds may be redundant. And on land domination, Harald's bonuses are not so good. As with Gorgo, you are encouraged to war, in this case to get benefits from pillage, but this does not necessarily reward actual conquer.
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [6]
John Curtin/Australia [7]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28] (27+1) Hadn't upvoted him yet, but with levied armies being indeed and interesting tool to support and extend your wars, getting bonuses for them is indeed quite interesting for dom. That without taking into account the UU and so on.
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [5]
Philip/Spain [12]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35]
Suleiman/Ottomans [30]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13]

(readded Phillip that was missing after ADhansa post)

 

[CrabHelmet]

Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16]
Cyrus/Persia [19]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [19]
Gorgo/Greece [3] (2+1) It's getting increasingly harder to make choices now, so we have to get comparative and I think Gorgo can survive a little longer. There are various people saying she only has a small window in the early game to really benefit from Domination before the culture bonus becomes irrelevant and the wildcard slot makes less of a difference. Well, maybe so... but an early conquest snowballs, and there's a real advantage to being able to just pump out units as Gorgo without worrying about falling behind culturally at such an early stage - at least compared to Hojo, anyway.
Harald Hardrada/Norway [8]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [3] (6-3) Hojo has to be a worse choice than Gorgo. Gorgo gets an early UU, an early extra wildcard slot to put to military, and rewards for early conquest - that gets the ball rolling, even if the extra helps is only at the start. Hojo has... not much, really? Meiji Restoration doesn't come online for a good while in and isn't overwhelmingly good anyway. The coastal bonus is ony really good on the defense and very hard to use aggressively. The Samurai comes later than the Hoplite and is comparably mediocre. Surely it has to be Hojo who falls next?
John Curtin/Australia [7]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [5] Just to talk about Peter quickly - the ability to so easily turn Peter's huge faith into huge armies means I'm really surprised he has fallen so quickly. How is he on 5 and Victoria is on 13?! In general...
Philip/Spain [12]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35]
Suleiman/Ottomans [30]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [13] ...Victoria is doing a very good job of keeping quiet and hoping nobody notices her, all sneaky like. Well, I'm on to you, Perfidious Albion!

 

[Drivingrevilo]

Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16]
Cyrus/Persia [20] (19+1) Someone said the top 4 was likely to be Matthias, Bolivar, Suleiman, and Monty. Well hang on a minute: let’s not forget a certain Persian king of kings. Huge movement boost, reduced grievances & war weariness, no penalties in occupied cities, advanced roads for better transport, an extremely effective UU - and that’s on top of a strong culture & gold game. Although Bolivar has kinda stole Cyrus’ thunder in the whole “I move faster than you, get recked” department, I still consider Cyrus a top tier conqueror. (And personally, I think he’s much better than Montezuma: the Eagle Warrior rush is very hit-and-miss, and I’ve found myself abandoning at least two games as the Aztecs because I focused too hard on an early war that didn’t pay off).
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [19]
Gorgo/Greece [3]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [8]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [3]
John Curtin/Australia [7]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [5]
Philip/Spain [12]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35]
Suleiman/Ottomans [30]
Trajan/Rome [20]
Victoria/England [10] (13-3) Yeah, I agree with @CrabHelmet (great name, btw!), Vicky is kinda going under the radar here. And that’s coming from someone who upvoted her earlier. On water maps, Royal Navy Dockyard obviously makes her king. And even on Pangaea, she is bloody good if she manages to spawn near a continent boundary: getting a free melée unit every time you found a city on a foreign continent can rack up very, very fast, and the Redcoat is terrifying. However, it’s undeniable that, compared to many leaders remaining, she requires more variables to go her way in order to really click, and her bonuses come into play slightly later. Let’s be honest: she’s not gonna win this whole thing, is she? (Though I’d still put her higher than Norway or Spain).

 

[kryat]

Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16]
Cyrus/Persia [20]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [19]
Gorgo/Greece [3]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [8]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [3]
John Curtin/Australia [7]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [5]
Philip/Spain [12]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35]
Suleiman/Ottomans [30]
Trajan/Rome [17] (20-3) This isn't saying that Trajan is worse than Victoria (though I think they're about on par). Legionnaires are great, but they only last the early game. After that, Trajan's column, roads, and baths are what powers Rome through the game, and those don't overwhelmingly help with domination, at least not as much as some other things ranked higher on this list.
Victoria/England [10] (10+1) Redcoats are great, and so is bonus loyalty when invading a foreign continent. Probably not in the top 10, but definitely better than some remaining.

 

[monikernemo]

Alexander/Macedon[26] (Nobody realised that Alex was gone)
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16]
Cyrus/Persia [20]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [19]
Gorgo/Greece [3]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [8]
Hojo Tokimune/Japan [0] (3-3)
Eliminated. Only upside are half-cost encampments. UU on weird side of the tech tree and the combat bonus is really situational.
John Curtin/Australia [7]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [6] (5+1)
Russia should stay here a teeny bit longer (at least a teeny bit longer than Aussie/Greece):
Cossacks are slightly more than fine, and the timing it comes with nationalism gives Russia decent power spike militarily.
No army? No problem. Grand Master's Chapel allows you to buy an instant army coupled with your faith generation.
Crusade belief: essentially Trojan horses. Quite easy to snag this belief easily as Russia.
Philip/Spain [12]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [35]
Suleiman/Ottomans [30]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [10]

 

[tedhebert]

Alexander/Macedon[26] (Nobody realised that Alex was gone)
Amanitore/Nubia [21]
Chandragupta/India [16]
Cyrus/Persia [20]
Frederick/Germany [16]
Genghis Khan/Mongolia [21]
Gilgamesh/Sumeria [19]
Gorgo/Greece [3]
Harald Hardrada/Norway [8]
John Curtin/Australia [7]
Kupe/Maori [16]
Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [28]
Montezuma/Aztec [23]
Peter/Russia [3] (6-1) Between him and Gorgo, I choose the latter.
Philip/Spain [12]
Seondeok/Korea [15]
Shaka/Zulu [22]
Simón Bolívar/Gran Colombia [36] (35+1) Sorry all, he's just alone at top for dom !
Suleiman/Ottomans [30]
Trajan/Rome [17]
Victoria/England [10]