Hey everyone, just wanted to know your thoughts. I personally enjoy playing games with a lot of civs, my most recent one was 20 civs, and 22 city-states. The problem is that now for domination victories, you have to be in control of everyone's capital, which takes a ton of time/happiness with so many civs playing. Do you all think that adding large numbers of civs to games gives those seeking domination victories an unfair disadvantage?
Domination Victory with lots of Civs?
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I just completed a game as the Mongols (Standard map, standard res, standard # of city states, Pangea, Epic, King). Granted, there were only 7 other opponents. I chose all warmongers to try and make the game more interesting - Aztecs, Greece, Rome, Zulu, Huns, Germany, and Assyria. I was trying to see if Snarzberry's old GnK Keshik rush was still viable. In a way, it is still viable.... it takes longer to get to Chivalry now in BNW, but once you do... game over. I rolled through everyone with just 5 or 6 keshiks and a couple of horsemen (for taking cities).
I had to survive two early DoW's from Aztec and Greece since they started close to me. And I'm sure it helped that Germany and Zulu were at each other's throats from the beginning as well. I'm actually glad Greece started close and I could wipe them out early.... Alex had 5 cities when I got my Keshiks and was by far the toughest out with his Companion Cavalry.
Not sure how it would work vs 20 civs though... I would think at some point, someone far away from you would out-tech you and get to cannons and rifles. If used properly (doubtful for the AI) they could slow you down and you would need more than 5 or 6 keshiks.
Anyway, the point of this response is that YES, happiness is manageable IF you raze every city that isn't a capitol. I only kept one city that wasn't a capitol because it had 3 or 4 silver mines around it, so it was good for gold. Also, be sure to leave archers behind (hard build them in your original cities) for the conquered capitols to keep barbarians at bay.
Be interesting to try it on a larger map though...
I had to survive two early DoW's from Aztec and Greece since they started close to me. And I'm sure it helped that Germany and Zulu were at each other's throats from the beginning as well. I'm actually glad Greece started close and I could wipe them out early.... Alex had 5 cities when I got my Keshiks and was by far the toughest out with his Companion Cavalry.
Not sure how it would work vs 20 civs though... I would think at some point, someone far away from you would out-tech you and get to cannons and rifles. If used properly (doubtful for the AI) they could slow you down and you would need more than 5 or 6 keshiks.
Anyway, the point of this response is that YES, happiness is manageable IF you raze every city that isn't a capitol. I only kept one city that wasn't a capitol because it had 3 or 4 silver mines around it, so it was good for gold. Also, be sure to leave archers behind (hard build them in your original cities) for the conquered capitols to keep barbarians at bay.
Be interesting to try it on a larger map though...
Exterminas
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I played a domination game on a huge map once. Was as Shaka on Pangea.
By the end of the game only three civs were left: Chartargo, Japan and the Netherlands.
Japan had fallen behind in tech somewhere in the renaissance, so I planned to kill them last. Cartargo was protected by some obscene choke points, so it took much longer than expected to pump enough tanks down their civ to kill them. They weren't a military opposition, mind you, their land was.
Meanwhile the Netherlands completed the Apollo-Program and were about to start producing SS-Parts.
Right about the time I had conquered Cartargo, the first World-Leader-Election rolled along, which I won, since my massive Puppet-Empire churned out enough money to own all the city states.
So the lesson I learned was that Domination is probably the least viable road to victory these days, especially on huge maps.
By the end of the game only three civs were left: Chartargo, Japan and the Netherlands.
Japan had fallen behind in tech somewhere in the renaissance, so I planned to kill them last. Cartargo was protected by some obscene choke points, so it took much longer than expected to pump enough tanks down their civ to kill them. They weren't a military opposition, mind you, their land was.
Meanwhile the Netherlands completed the Apollo-Program and were about to start producing SS-Parts.
Right about the time I had conquered Cartargo, the first World-Leader-Election rolled along, which I won, since my massive Puppet-Empire churned out enough money to own all the city states.
So the lesson I learned was that Domination is probably the least viable road to victory these days, especially on huge maps.
AlphaShard
Emperor
I did a domination victory as Assyria with 12 civs on a huge map. It is possible to do just a lot more time consuming.
uhm, is Germany really a warmonger nation? They never really attacked me and Bismarck hates warmongers.
VainoValkea
Emperor
I agree, the AI should be equally aggressive towards the player gaming the WC or being a tourism bully.
I always have trouble with Bismarck... plus he always seems to build a huge land army due to his abilities to field units cheaper than almost everyone else.
