Double Confusion

[drkodos]

I was reading the manual. Under the Wonders section where it states what the Hammer cost of each wonder is it says that The Oracle Costs "150 Hammers" and underneath it states: "double w/ marble". On one page it states that production time is halved, but on the tables it states it is doubled.

Does that mean it costs 300 Hammers if you have marble?

I notice many Wonders have this "double w/ _____" and thought that maybe that number of production hammers needed was halved with these resources and not doubled?

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

Double production speed. 50% hammer cost.

 

[drkodos]

Double production speed. 50% hammer cost.

I hear ya, but that is not what it states. For instance, under the heading of COST for Eiffel Tower it states: 1250 (double w/iron), which grammatically means it would cost 2500 hammers if one had iron.

 

[Willowmound]

The Civ4 manual was clearly written by a monkey.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Technically it is not double, it is +100% to production when you are building that Wonder (Nothing that happens In a game changes the Cost of something it only boosts the production that goes to it)

Cost is changed by difficulty level (if you are an AI, or for Research)
and
Game Speed
(and Map Size for Research)

So if your City has 10 Base Production
Pyramids with Stone=20
Pyramids with Forge+OR=15
Forge+OR+Stone=25
Forge +Stone+OR+Industrious=30

 

[Silver Marmot]

It's not very well worded, but common sense should tell you that simply having a resource would not make a project take any longer.

 

[Olleus]

gasp, me holding this stone is slowing down the production of the pyramids. Must throw it away!

 

[Ramalhão]

The Civ4 manual was clearly written by a monkey.

You didn't see the translated manuals, they were even worse .

 

[Zanmato]

I agree, it's poor english. It should say '150 hammers (halved w/ Marble)'. So just look at it like either you just need 50% of hammer cost or you get 2 for 1 for every hammer with that resource.

 

[Jarrod32]

That's not quite accurate either. The cost really isn't halved. You simply get double your base production if you have the proper resource. While the effect may be the same, it is a subtle difference.

 

[drkodos]

That's not quite accurate either. The cost really isn't halved. You simply get double your base production if you have the proper resource. While the effect may be the same, it is a subtle difference.

Agreed. Amount of hammers stays the same, but production is supposed to be doubled.

Subtle, yet distinct.

 

[drkodos]

That's not quite accurate either. The cost really isn't halved. You simply get double your base production if you have the proper resource. While the effect may be the same, it is a subtle difference.

Agreed. Amount of hammers required to build stays the same, but production amount per turn is supposed to be doubled.

Subtle, yet distinct.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

and it isn't technically doubled either (doubling would be a multiplication effect, all civ bonuses are addition effects)

 

[drkodos]

and it isn't technically doubled either (doubling would be a multiplication effect, all civ bonuses are addition effects)

Addition and multiplication are relatives. Multiplication is merely additional addition.

Dig:

2+2 = 4
2X2 = 4

2+2+2 = 6
3X2 = 6

 

[Zanmato]

Well, just look it like this: you get a extra hammer for every base production hammer with the required special resource. Therefore, the production speed is doubled before any other multipler is added.

 

[Bushface]

Well, just look it like this: you get a extra hammer for every base production hammer with the required special resource. Therefore, the production speed is doubled before any other multipler is added.

Sorry, Zan, but that's still wrong. All percentage bonuses are calculated as a percentage of the base value, so for example you could have "+100% for Stone" and "+25% for State Religion" which with base production 25 would give 25 +125% = 56.25 (rounded down to 56), not 25 +100% = 50 then that +25% = 62.5.
It gets even more confusing when it comes to combat odds, when most (but not all) the percentages quoted as bonuses for your unit are not added to your strength but are subtracted from that of your opponent's. And during bombardment the damage done is calculated as a percentage of the city's original defence, so it takes no longer to get an original defence of 100% down to zero than one of 20%.

 

[Olleus]

+100% to production means +1 hammer for every base hammer. It does not double the other boni.