Drafting a constitution

b is confusingly worded. what do you mean by "instigated by the population?" ones that we offer? so it doesn't require 2/3 when they ask us?

C & D: change to 50%

a) provide a clause so that if we are attacked, the President/Defense Minister cannot put troops in foreign territory with the intention of attacking or being attack- without recieveing the consent - via 48 hour or more poll - from 50% of the population

it seems there is a 3-1 majorirty in favor of dropping IV-2.e

also, since we haven't ratifiedit yet, make article IV -> article V, and article V -> article IV. Since we want the amendment process to be at the end.

let's wait another 12 hours before we put this to poll
 
ybbor said:
b is confusingly worded. what do you mean by "instigated by the population?" ones that we offer? so it doesn't require 2/3 when they ask us?

For (b), I thought it would be a good idea to default to peace if offered, and if the pres, DefMin, and ForMin wanted to CONTINUE war, they'd need the 2/3 vote of the people. Something like this:
b) Non-acceptance of an offer of peace by a foreign power during wartime.
 
For Reference, copied from previous page:

Article V - Game Actions which require a 2/3 Consensus prior to Implementation.

1) The following actions require a 2/3 majority from a vote from Citizens are;

a) The Declaration of War with another team, unless Team M.I.A. has been directly attacked.

b) An offer of Peace which is instigated by the population. This will follow the rules as per Article IV which are required to amend the Constitution.

c) The granting of Rights of Passage to another team.

d) Entering a Mutual Protection Pact with another team.
 
I would prefer the above to be a simple majority
The only thing needing more is constitution amending
 
Black_Hole said:
I would prefer the above to be a simple majority
The only thing needing more is constitution amending

well, I think war should require more than a simple majority. split the difference? 3/5?
 
Just occured a thought: Are we required to submit this constitution to the UN? I don't think we want the other teams to be able to see some of these constraints on our actions. For instance, if I knew that Team X's constitution constrained it to a super-majority for war, I'd think differently about my dealings with them than if I didn't know anything.

Rambling... I'm just saying, I don't want our constitution to be public to any non-citizens (I guess the mods don't count).
 
This would be my ideal constitution:

Article I - The Constitution.

1) This constitution shall govern the manner in which Team Missing in Action (M.I.A.) makes decisions, and acts upon them in order to play our turn of the save provided to us in through the Multi-Team DemoGame (MTDG).

2) This constitution shall regulate all members of M.I.A. and have no weight in the proceedings of other teams, nor the administrators of the MTDG. When there is a conflict perceived between this constitution an the constitution of the MTDG, The MTDG constitution shall overrule the constitution of M.I.A.

Article II - Citizens.

1) A citizen shall be defined as any person who has joined M.I.A. and has not withdrawn from the game.

2) A citizen of M.I.A. is made up of the following classes - Founder, Natural and Refugee, and also a Resident.

a) A Founder citizen is defined as a person who has joined M.I.A. before July 31st 2005, and has not withdrawn from the game.

b) A Natural citizen is defined as a person who has joined M.I.A. after July 31st 2005, and has not withdrawn from the game.

c) A Refugee is defined as a person, who was originally a citizen of another team, who has joined M.I.A., and has not withdrawn from the game.

d) A Resident citizen is defined as a Lurker or a Refugee. These citizens may engage in discussion and vote in general polls, but not vote in elections.

3) Any Refugee who wishes to become a Natural citizen may ask the President Or Team Captain to sponsor them to become Naturalised and gain the right to vote and to hold office. If either agrees, a poll shall be taken among the remaining Founders. After 72 hours if a majority of votes cast favour the naturalization of the refugee, that person shall be defined as a Natural citizen with all the rights that title holds.

4) Once refugees have joined M.I.A., for any refugee to be elected to office, that refugee must get 1 Founder of M.I.A. to sponsor their candidacy, and must have at least 1/5 of the votes from the Citizens of team M.I.A.

5) All Citizens have the right to assemble, the right to free movement, the right to free speech, the right to a fair trial, the right to representation, the right to demand satisfaction and the right to vote in general polls.

Article III- Leadership.

0) A term is defined as 20 game turns.

1) The President shall be the designated player; meaning he plays the save. When playing the save he has the responsibility to carry out the decisions of other leaders. He is responsible for workers, city management, and powers and responsibilities not specified to other leaders. This position shall be elected every term.

2) The Team Captain shall represent team M.I.A. in the UN and shall also maintain order in the team. This position shall be elected every other term.

3) The Domestic Minister shall be responsible for settlement, sliders, research, wonders, and government changes, and all duties and powers affecting the economy not specified to other leaders. This position shall be elected every term.

4) The Defence Minister is responsible for all military units. He is responsible for the building, upgrading and the placement of units. This position shall be elected every term.

5) The Foreign Minister determines trades and declarations of war, peace, alliances, and MPP. All dealings with other nations must be approved by the Minister. He appoints a single Diplomat to every remaining team. He must act as a Diplomat when one is absent or someone cannot fill the position. This position shall be elected every term.

6) The Diplomats to other teams are appointed by the Foreign Minister. They shall be responsible for discussions and trades with other teams.

7) The election process, where all citizens of M.I.A. are eligible to vote.

a) During turns 15 a thread shall be opened for nominations. Any citizen may nominate any other citizen, including themselves, for any position that is up for election. The nominee then must accept the nomination.

b) On turn 18 a poll shall be held for each position, with the names of every nominee that accepted. The poll must be open for 48 hours, although it is recommended it is open for 72. A simple majority is required to elect someone to a position; not including abstains.

c) Once turn 20 ends, a new term has begun and the new leaders shall take their positions.

d) Any tie shall be broken by the sitting Team Captain, unless the Team Captain is running in said election, in which case the tie shall be broken by the President. If both the President and Team Captain are running, the tie shall be broken by a simple majority of the Foreign, Defence and Domestic Ministers.

8) No person may hold the same elected office 2 terms in a row or hold more than 1 office at the same time, except in cases where the position would otherwise not be filled.

9) In the event the President resigns or cannot play the save on a certain day, the line of succession shall be:
Team Captain
Domestic Minister
Defence Minister
Foreign Minister.

10) If there is a vacancy in a position mid-term, the President or Team Captain shall temporarily take on the responsibilities of that vacancy. An election to fill the vacant position will be held at the earliest possible time.

11) Any leader can delegate powers of their office as they see fit, as long as the delegation does not conflict with any other rules.

Article IV - Game Actions which require Consent of the People

1) The Declaration of War with another team shall require a poll up for at least 48 hours that obtains at least a 3/5 majority in favor of war.
a) If MIA has been directly attacked the President and Defense Minister may send troops into foreign territory with the intention of attacking or being attacked for up to 10 turns without the consent of the people. For those troops to remain in that position, or any other troops to be deployed with similar intent requires a simple majority of the populace in favor of war.

2) The following require a simple majority to be adopted:
a) A declaration of Peace
b) The granting of Rights of Passage to another team.
c) Entering a Mutual Protection Pact with another team.

Article V - Ratifying and Amending the Constitution.

1) This Constitution shall take effect once a poll has been taken of all citizens of M.I.A. This poll must be open for 72 hours, anonymous, obtain a 2/3 majority in favour (not including abstentions) of adopting, and at least 50% of citizens must vote (including abstains).

2) Amending the Constitution.

a) Any citizen has the right to put forward a motion to amend the constitution.

b) Any citizen can call for a motion to amend the constitution; and for it to be legal, either the original forwarder or the seconder must be a Founder citizen.

c) The motion is then put to all citizens of MIA for a vote; a majority of 2/3 votes of the population deem the amendment passed. The poll must be open for 72 hours and have at least 50% of citizens who voted in the last contested election vote.

d) The constitution is then amended and becomes law.

any objections? I took out V.2.e switched the order of IV and V, and completely reworded IV
 
peter grimes said:
Just occured a thought: Are we required to submit this constitution to the UN? I don't think we want the other teams to be able to see some of these constraints on our actions. For instance, if I knew that Team X's constitution constrained it to a super-majority for war, I'd think differently about my dealings with them than if I didn't know anything.

Rambling... I'm just saying, I don't want our constitution to be public to any non-citizens (I guess the mods don't count).
We do not need to do that. Each constitution, if every team has one, is for the individual team only.
 
peter grimes said:
Just occured a thought: Are we required to submit this constitution to the UN? I don't think we want the other teams to be able to see some of these constraints on our actions. For instance, if I knew that Team X's constitution constrained it to a super-majority for war, I'd think differently about my dealings with them than if I didn't know anything.

Rambling... I'm just saying, I don't want our constitution to be public to any non-citizens (I guess the mods don't count).

they can see our forum and will let us know if our constitution does not meet requirements. besides, ours is completely inferior to the MTDG const, which puts the admins in control of everything, so even if ours had a problem; it would be ignored
 
classical_hero said:
@ybbor. You only need to include the term limit for 20 turns, because it has a clear lead in the poll.

done. Plus I changed the date to July 31st
 
classical_hero said:
We now need to see fe3333au's finished constitution, so we can poll which one is the better.

so first we're gonna poll for a simple majority between the two, then for a 2/3 majority for the winner?

We've compromised on almost everything, there's very little still to be hammered out, all that's left is artcile IV
 
I thought fe3333au and ybbor were jointly drafting the document to be put up for ratification. It really has elements of both drafts. I think that we should place it in a new thread today, maybe poll it for a day so everyone understands it, and then do the 72 hour vote on it.
 
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