East Timor Mark II

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Looks like West Papua is shaping up to be the new East Timor of the Indonesian-Australian relationship.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18590606-38196,00.html

Trouble by the boatload
From:
By Greg Sheridan
March 25, 2006


IS there another boat on the way? This is the question now in Australia-Indonesia relations after the granting of temporary protection visas to 42 West Papuans.

The West Papuans came here by boat and claimed they were being persecuted in the troublesome province of Indonesia.

This is a big, big, big story.


In response to the Australian grant of protection visas, Jakarta withdrew its ambassador and there were angry denunciations of Australia by Indonesian parliamentarians.

While naturally we do not know the precise motivations of the people who came here by boat, their action is a brilliant stroke in the ongoing political drama of Indonesia, Australia and West Papua.

West Papua could be the new East Timor of Australia-Indonesia relations, only much more troublesome and of much greater long-term significance. The Howard Government understands the stakes very well. It had limited leverage over the decision to grant asylum, which is undertaken after an independent review process by the Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs.

Foreign Minister Alexander Downer has done everything in his power to prepare the Indonesians for this decision.

At the end of February Downer went to Jakarta for a day, ostensibly to attend a conference on terrorism. His true purpose was to speak to his Indonesian counterpart, Hassan Wirajuda, about the Papuans. He had four central points to make to Wirajuda.

First, that the Australian Government was steadfastly committed to the policy that West Papua was part of Indonesia and that Indonesia had legitimate and permanent sovereignty over West Papua.

Second, that Australia supported President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's efforts to bring about a political settlement in West Papua through a special autonomy package.

Third, that the formal decision on granting temporary protection visas to those involved was not a question of government policy. It would be decided first by immigration department officials acting under set rules that involved international law and treaty obligations.

And fourth, that even if the Papuans were rejected by the department, they would be in Australia for a substantial time because they would inevitably appeal to the Refugee Review Tribunal, and after that to the Federal Court and then the High Court. This whole process could take years.

Downer may not have made the point but such a prolonged process, with the Papuans cast as victims, may well have done much more to polarise Australian opinion against Indonesian rule in West Papua than a decision allowing them to stay.

At one level, the Indonesians have taken this calmly. Wirajuda was polite and friendly in all his conversations with Downer. However, for Indonesia to recall its ambassador is a very serious diplomatic step. It did not take this step all through the turmoil of East Timor.

The official Indonesian statement draws attention to Australia's repeated determination to keep out boatpeople from Middle East nations. These included Iraq when Saddam Hussein was in power and Afghanistan when the Taliban was in power. The Indonesians are affronted that they are seen as not only persecuting their citizens in West Papua but in some sense are registered as worse than these Middle East nations.

But perhaps the most telling sentence in the Indonesian statement was this: "The decision justifies speculations that there are elements in Australia that support separatist movement in Papua."

Many Indonesians see West Papua, and Australia's involvement in it, as another East Timor. For many years Canberra reassured Jakarta that its policy was to recognise Indonesian sovereignty over East Timor, but in the end, from Indonesia's point of view, Australia was crucial in East Timor gaining independence.

Many Indonesians suspect Australia of having a secret, similar game plan for West Papua. The international debate on West Papua will occur mainly in Australia. It will be led mainly by Australian non-government organisations. It will percolate to the rest of the international community through Australian-based activists. And if an independence referendum is held, it will be because Australia has changed policy. And it will almost inevitably involve Australian soldiers, during the vote or just after.


Some elements of this widespread Indonesian perception are clearly wrong. Canberra never had a conspiracy to make East Timor independent but got caught up in a series of unpredictable events. It was the Indonesians who decided to hold a referendum on the issue and once that decision was made the movement of Australian public opinion was inevitable.

Certainly the Howard Government has absolutely no desire to see an independent West Papua.

Nonetheless, it faces an exquisite dilemma. There are certainly human rights abuses in West Papua and Canberra cannot and should not be blind to that. But in trying to support human rights in West Papua, Canberra wants to give no comfort to the independence movement.

The stakes for Indonesia are enormous. Indonesia has only just got military to military relations re-established with Washington. It is just beginning to attract new foreign investment and register good economic growth. If West Papua becomes an international cause celebre, this could all come under threat.

There are two ways this could happen. A single, gross act of disastrous policy, such as some heavy-handed security operation or massacre, could inflame international opinion, especially in the US Congress. Alternatively, if a succession of Papuan activists were to row to Australia and repeatedly test our refugee assessment machinery, building on the precedents of these West Papuans, this could become a running sore in the relationship and give the issue a new, heightened international profile. As well as giving Australia a whole new boatpeople problem.

The most encouraging factor is that the Indonesian Government, especially the President, has a lot invested in the relationship with Australia. It won't want to blow it all away over this one incident. Things can probably shortly return to normal.

Unless, of course, there are new boats on the horizon.

It's a real possibility we could see some problems here. Indonesia has accused Australia in the past of supporting the West Papua separatist’s movement, and Indonesia certainly doesn’t have the best human rites history
 
Yeah, this is a tricky situation, especially as West Papuan separatists are now focusing on getting international attention drawn to the province through Australia, whose support they would need if they were to have a realistic chance of independence. Australia's hand is also being forced in this, although nothing will happen as long as Jakarta does not do any East Timor or Aceh style anti-separatist actions (which I'm not naive enough to believe won't happen).
 
About freak'n time our government started showing some common sense and human decency over diplomacy and pandering to one of the last truly colonial type nations in the region.
 
Other than Terrorism or Global Nuclear war the only Threat to Australia (and therefore New Zealand and PNG) is a Militan Fundamentalist Indonesia. Everytime Australia or New Zealand do anything to make the Current Semi-democratic goverment in Indonesia look weak they help the more Militan opposition.

Could you amagin if a goverment like Irans got ahold of the a billion muslims, sitting right next to Americas closest Ally?

We need to help the current Indonesian goverment not hinder them.
 
Nobody said:
Other than Terrorism or Global Nuclear war the only Threat to Australia (and therefore New Zealand and PNG) is a Militan Fundamentalist Indonesia. Everytime Australia or New Zealand do anything to make the Current Semi-democratic goverment in Indonesia look weak they help the more Militan opposition.

Could you amagin if a goverment like Irans got ahold of the a billion muslims, sitting right next to Americas closest Ally?

We need to help the current Indonesian goverment not hinder them.
Well, its not quite a billion. ;)

Personally, I don't see indonesia becoming a serious threat any time soon. They may have the numbers, but they don't have the money. We easily have the technological advantage.

The indonesian military is five times the size of ours... but our expenditure is almost 15 times more.
 
From my uninformed viewpoint, it sounds like weakening the government and possibily splitting up these territories is ultimately in Australia's strategic interest.
 
rmsharpe said:
From my uninformed viewpoint, it sounds like weakening the government and possibily splitting up these territories is ultimately in Australia's strategic interest.
Not really since the breakup would be violent and/or impoverishing and then Australia would yet again be swamped with boat people. On the other hand, a strong Indonesia is not in Australia's interests either.
 
Mongoloid Cow said:
Not really since the breakup would be violent and/or impoverishing and then Australia would yet again be swamped with boat people. On the other hand, a strong Indonesia is not in Australia's interests either.
Depends how it happens. If we can liberate (and here the term really does apply) a territory every few years, it shouldn't be too bad. A sudden split definitely wouldn't be good though.
 
Margim said:
About freak'n time our government started showing some common sense and human decency over diplomacy and pandering to one of the last truly colonial type nations in the region.

article said:
Third, that the formal decision on granting temporary protection visas to those involved was not a question of government policy. It would be decided first by immigration department officials acting under set rules that involved international law and treaty obligations.

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There are certainly human rights abuses in West Papua and Canberra cannot and should not be blind to that. But in trying to support human rights in West Papua, Canberra wants to give no comfort to the independence movement.

I'm not going to hold my breath about Howard, Downer & co not pandering to Indonesia. Our own human rights record isn't that flash, and part of that is down to not wanting to offend Indonesia being a higher priority than actually standing up to stuff.
 
Hey we gotta lot to do first in East timor and west papua first
before we start pushing hard for west papuas independence.

indonesias suppression should not happen we should condem and put pressure on them. perhapes a bit of arm twisting to give "automaous" status to papua.

but at the moment: lets get to work on fixing up east timor and west papua
 
sanabas said:
I'm not going to hold my breath about Howard, Downer & co not pandering to Indonesia. Our own human rights record isn't that flash, and part of that is down to not wanting to offend Indonesia being a higher priority than actually standing up to stuff.
Historically speaking, your correct. However, in recent years Australia's foriegn policy has started to change. I think this could go either way. One thing is for sure, we won't send troops without international support.
FriendlyFire said:
at the moment: lets get to work on fixing up east timor and west papua
How can we get to work on fixing up west papua if were not in there?
 
Meleager said:
Historically speaking, your correct. However, in recent years Australia's foriegn policy has started to change. I think this could go either way. One thing is for sure, we won't send troops without international support.

How do you think we've changed? I think we've changed a bit in becoming more US focused than Asia focused, especially with economic stuff. But in other areas, I don't see much difference. We seem to rubber stamp/join in with American decisions, we seem to happily ignore Indonesia's less savoury efforts so we don't offend them, and our treatment of refugees and asylum seekers seems to be growing steadily worse under Howard's govt.
 
sanabas said:
How do you think we've changed? I think we've changed a bit in becoming more US focused than Asia focused, especially with economic stuff. But in other areas, I don't see much difference. We seem to rubber stamp/join in with American decisions, we seem to happily ignore Indonesia's less savoury efforts so we don't offend them, and our treatment of refugees and asylum seekers seems to be growing steadily worse under Howard's govt.
The US swing appears a lot in the media. However from experience in knowing people who work in international trade and so forth I can tell you that the swing is actually going toward Asia, namely India and China. Economically speaking, the free trade deal with America won't really do much at all in the long run.
 
sanabas said:
How do you think we've changed? I think we've changed a bit in becoming more US focused than Asia focused, especially with economic stuff. But in other areas, I don't see much difference. We seem to rubber stamp/join in with American decisions, we seem to happily ignore Indonesia's less savoury efforts so we don't offend them, and our treatment of refugees and asylum seekers seems to be growing steadily worse under Howard's govt.
East Timor was the first time that Australia had truly initiated something on this scale. The first time is always the hardest. Since then there has been allot of rhetoric about pre-emptive strikes and the like. Only time will really tell.

I think the fact that East Timor happened certainly proves it could happen again though.

And now where the "sheriff" of South-East Asia... ;)
Nobody said:
Does Australia have the Troops to pull another East Timor style thing?
I believe so. We still have alot of reserves if we really need them.
 
Meleager said:
How can we get to work on fixing up west papua if were not in there?

The 450 (?) police and military that we offered to help stablise west papua were sent back by the government For what iam sure are dubious reasons.

Currently the cease fire broked by Australians is still holding. but the country is in serious trouble. It would be nice if the US also come in helped us out. (some help in East timor would also be good)
 
Here we go :shake:

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Angry rally at Jakarta embassy
From: AAP
By Rob Taylor in Jakarta
March 27, 2006


Protest ... demonstrators at the Australian embassy. Pic: AP

INDONESIAN protesters rallied outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta today over Canberra's decision to grant temporary visas to West Papuan asylum seekers.

The demonstration of 200 people was noisy but peaceful with some warning Australian expatriates could be attacked unless the embassy closed down within 24 hours and the West Papuans were returned to Indonesia.

"If you don't give back our brothers, the 43, then we Papuan people who love Indonesia will have sweeps against Australian people in Papua especially, but in Indonesia in general," the group, calling themselves The Papuan Peoples Forum Who Love Indonesia, said in a statement of demands.

The protesters carried flags and protest banners demanding Canberra cease what they said was intervention in Papuan affairs.

"Stop your arrogance Australia," one sign said.

"We still remember your inconsistency in East Timor. Do not provoke us with your hidden agenda," another banner read.

Australia last week granted temporary visas to 42 of 43 West Papuans who landed in Cape York in January, claiming a campaign of genocide by Indonesian security forces in the restive province.

Canberra granted the visas, but insisted they did not signal Australian government support for an independent West Papua.

More protests were held in the East Java town of Jember today.

But police outside the heavily fortified Australian mission in Jakarta, which was bombed in 2004 by Islamic terrorists, said security had not been beefed up and the 17 strong force of police and security officers outside the mission was normal.

Today's demonstration was relatively small compared with other anti-Australian protests, including those that erupted after an Australian-led international military force restored order in East Timor after it broke away from Indonesia in 1999.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18619152-2,00.html

Only small, but it makes you wonder. The Indonesians ignore our requests regarding captured Australians, and we don't withdraw our ambassador. But the moment we don't do what Indonesia wants their ambassador is gone :shake: and were the arrogant ones. :rolleyes:
 
FriendlyFire said:
The 450 (?) police and military that we offered to help stablise west papua were sent back by the government For what iam sure are dubious reasons.

Currently the cease fire broked by Australians is still holding. but the country is in serious trouble. It would be nice if the US also come in helped us out. (some help in East timor would also be good)
Oh. I didn't know about this.
 
Nobody said:
I actually like the Idea of Australia being the Sheriff of SE Asia as long as there cool with the current deputys of Polynesia.
That one single remark has raised much eyebrows in all the capitals across the region. None of us locals like anyone to 'sheriff' it over us. :uhoh:

Even the real powers who're spreading their wings into the region (i.e. China, India and Japan) don't use any equavalent and highly undiplomatic term.
 
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