CharlemagneXLII
Prince
I don't forsee this as being a problem, unless CDZ wants it (that could be why they went after Divine Right).
proposed ban on nukes
Greetings, allies!
Team Amazon according to its peaceful and just nature would like to make a consultation with you about a possible resolution for banning the nukes from this game trough official UN vote.
We would like all of us to avoid Fission technology giving access to building Manhattan project and nukes right after, until the UN is built and a resolution for ban on the nukes is voted and passed. Once we have your agreement in principle on this, we will avoid it till the UN vote.
Having seen too much of a violence, death and smoldering ruins in this game, I am humbly sending you this request looking forward for a peaceful future with bright skies and no nuclear mushrooms on the horizon.
General 2metraninja of the Amazons
I set our new tech goal to be Fission, asking Sommerswerd who happened to be in game while I was there what the most sensible research goal would currently be according to the other ETTT member goals. 15 turns for that with the current sliders (40% tech).
Hey Sommers
I am a bit confused at the moment because of the message 2metraninja has sent out to all the members of the ETTT proposing a ban on researching Fission (which I set our current research goal to after our last ingame chat 2 turns ago) until we have the UN.
Wouldn't it be more sensible to set the bar on building the Manhattan Project rather than researching Fission? The Nuclear Power Plants are very sweet, and I have calculated with using them as a part of the current Q strategy.
We will (or would.. if this goes through with a vote of 3-1 we have no real power to actually say no to this suggestion) of course share Fission with everyone inside the ETTT, and we would also agree to not building the Manhattan Project until the UN has been built and a ban on nukes can be proposed. I doubt anyone really considers military domination a viable strategy for winning this game now, as Team Sirius has been heavily damaged in the former war, Team CDZ is rather quietly expanding their economy and hammer situation, and us in Team Q are trying to get up to speed on the economy and hammer situation too. It is rather obvious that the team who would benefit the most from a ban on nukes is Team Amazon as you are the ones who have the most to lose from anyone building and using them. But even if someone were to build and use them you would have a military power that is more or less unstoppable - even in a situation where all other three teams ganged up on you (a situation I cannot see coming to be honest).
If the ban on researching Fission goes through for all ETTT members, we will have wasted about 15 turns of research now because our former goal was Rocketry, which I got from Team Sirius 2 turns before it was done. I hope this suggestion can be reconsidered into banning the Manhattan Project.
Please come back to me on this as soon as possible because of the diplomatic implications going on if Team Q stalls the decision here, and also because I would hate losing more research beakers to nothing.
Hey Caledorn,
Sorry I advised you to get Fission, but I only said that because you had already selected it, so I was just telling you no one else was teching it. So I am sorry you spent those 2 turns researching Fission. However this is not wasted beakers, because as soon as the UN resolution passes, you could go right back to Fission without any beaker loss. As you might have expected, we would really like to put off Fission until after the UN resolution banning nukes.
We can't go along with the idea about trying to ban Manhattan Project. The problem with banning Manhattan project, is that Teams could still build it covertly, by boosting espy and thus masking their cities. Once everyone has Fission, there is too great of a risk that Manhattan might be built in spite of the proposed ban.
Sorry you lost the beakers put into Rocketry. I did not notice you were teching it until it was too late, and even then, I just assumed you were trying to race with Sirius for the Aluminum corporation, so I did not say anything about it. If you had asked us beforehand I could have told you that you were duplicating research, but in any case, you should not think of the turns you spent on Rocketry as being included with the 2 turns you spent on Fission. Rocketry is not on the tech path to Fission so turns spent on one don't have anything to do with the other.
Remember that in the ETTT, you never "waste" turns teching anyway, because we all share tech. Since we all share tech there is no "tech-race" and therefore no "wasted" turns. If teams duplicate research, it means we all get tech a few turns slower but there is absolutely no harm in that, because we are all at peace. This is very different from when rival alliances are racing to get a tech advantage. Then every turn counts and you have to avoid waste, but in the current situation there is no rush and there is no race, so wasted turns don't matter.
There is no rush to get any tech. We don't need to tech fast. If you think about it, slower teching benefits Q the most, because Q has the most infrastructure to build, and the most catching up to do. The longer we put off a space race, the better Q's chances are, so you should not be worried about "wasted" teching.
Plus, TBH, Nuclear Plants are not necessary at all. You can already build coal plants which do the same thing. We have a SushiCo exec on the way which will reach Q lands next turn. You can spread Sushi Co and on this seafood-heavy map SushiCo will give you more than enough food to overcome any unhealthiness from Coal Plants. All we ask is that you do not give SushiCo to Sirius or CDZ.
Another thing worth mentioning. Nuclear plants have a high meltdown rate. I have had a meltdown everytime I use nuclear plants, which is why I stopped using them. But at a minimum, if you absolutely must have Nuclear plants, please put them off until after the UN resolution. Maybe prioritize getting the tech for UN as a tech goal?
The last thing, is that Sirius has already agreed not to tech Fission and they also approve of the UN ban on nukes, so although you may be right that it "benefits AMAZON the most" Sirius also sees that it is the best way to pursue a peaceful victory.
Talk to you soon,
Sommers
Hey again, Sommers
Aggravating the other ETTT members is simply not an option for Team Q. We accept the proposal, and will abide by it.
We will also accept your request that we do not spread Sushi Co to any of the other teams, of course.
Greetings Sommerswerd!
On behalf of Team Quatronia, I would like to ask if Team Amazon would be so kind as to allow us the control of the Great Wonders of the Eiffel Tower and Rock'n'Roll. We have set Continuum to build the Eiffel Tower, as this wonder would greatly help our cultural issues on Hoag. We would also like to build Rock'n'Roll in Pulsar Plateau to get an additional +50% culture output in said city.
I believe Team Amazon have a greater hammer output than Team Q have in our cities, so you could probably easily outproduce us on these two wonders if you want to. This is why I am asking this on behalf of our team, as we have a history of mutual cooperation.
If we get the Rock'n'Roll wonder we will of course provide you with the happiness resource, and if there is anything Team Amazon would like in return for this favour feel free to let us know and we will do our best to assist in return!
Best Regards,
Caledorn
Hello to Caledorn and all of Team Q,
Team AMAZON had big plans for Eiffel Tower, as it has perfect synergy with our CHA trait. However we are happy to defer to our good friends the Q since you guys claimed it first.
We had also planned on making a go at Rock N Roll, plus, it is highly irregular (and a little unfair/greedy) to try to claim more than one thing at a time, especially 2 great Wonders. Usually, when a new baubles become available, you claim one thing and give your ally a chance to claim something else, but again, we will agree not to go after either of the Wonders as per your request.
You mentioned being open to doing us a favor. The team agreed that I should request you agree to stop assigning espionage points on us permanently. Please understand this is not a condition on cooperating with you to get the Wonders. We will give you dibs on the Wonders regardless of whether you grant our request or not.
Good Luck
Sommerswerd