Emperor Domination

I took a look at the save. War should go smoothly. I think raze the little city they're next to now, then move on Hadrumedum. Then it's either south from there, or pick up Leptis in the northwest and consolidate, probably depending on how the army feels (if it's still strong, keep moving south and build a second wave to take Leptis). Keep in mind that whatever Alex sends will probably come up the east coast, so don't be too skimpy on the defence there. A Horse-hunting expedition doesn't look worth it to me. If we tear through Hannibal's heartland, he won't have the production to put up a fight.

I think the Greek cities should whip away their unhappys. Courthouses in those cities that don't yet have them, and cavalry in those that do. That'll allow the culture slider to be dropped in favor of money. Berlin and Cologne could each support a quick whip as well -- the last tiles they're working are pretty marginal. The faster we hit him, the less fight he'll put up. Biggest worry is that he'll beg protection from Nappy. That's a fight we'll eventually have to face, but I'd rather cannabalize Hannibal first and take out Alex for good.

lasombra, welcome back. Do you want to jump ahead of me in the roster? There might not be much left of him if futurehermit and I both take shots....

peace,
lilnev
 
Hey guys,
Ok, things look much nicer at this point. Here is how I will approach things...Drop research to 0, put everything we've got into military to take out Hannibal and Alex asap. I'm hoping Hannibal doesn't vassal to Nappy or that could present at least short term difficulties. I'm very glad Hannibal didn't go for miltrad, but we still have to hit him hard asap.

I'm curious as to why we didn't gift minor techs to the overseas folks upon meeting them? That is immediate +4 diplo relations, which we really need to get them to trade with us...

I think either democracy or astronomy would be decent choices as I don't think we'll be beat to either one, at least not by the folks overseas by the looks of things and we should be keeping nappy too busy after we clear out the other dudes.

Let's not lose the SoL though...

This is the part of the game that I really enjoy, although I usually go the gren route. Cav should make things progress more quickly.

Do we have a longer term plan for dealing with Nappy? He won't wait forever to get cav himself which will put us in a more difficult position for attacking him? Do we want to go en masse with renaissance troops or shoot for an industrial tech advantage?

EDIT: "Got it"
 
So now we have two players simultanusly playing recent save. Please decide who's "got it" ...

If I understood correctly lasombra only took *the offer* and not the save itself. Meaning he got in front of lilnev in line but it's still futurehermit's time to play right now.
 
guys, i will play and post tomorrow during my day off. my other day off this week didn't really work out for me.
 
I know!

And...*puts on white beard and all powerful clothes*

I HAVE COME TO BRING ORDER OUT OF CHAOS!

I RECIND MY SKIP REQUEST AND WILL PLAY TONIGHT!

*boom*

Does that solve the issue? ;P
 
1360AD-1450AD: Rifling Hits our Continent

Well, I took some screenshots, but I think because I put colons in the titles of them they messed up :( Sorry about that.

IHT: Set research/culture to 0%, whip in some cities, notice some cities without city garrison creating additional unhappiness, look to rectify this with longbows.

1360AD: Sack Thaemae at cost of 1 treb at good odds :mad:

1370AD: Reject WM for WM trade with Mehmed

1380AD: Lost Hippo to counter attack from out of nowhere that was very fluky (NCav vs fortified xbow); spot Alex on an island to SE

1390AD: Reject OB w/Genghis; retake Hippo; paper to genghis for 90 and paper + 60 to Mehmed for theology

1400AD: GA born in berlin :( Saved him. Sack Leptis. Lost 1 suicide treb, 1 semi-suicide HArcher, and 1 mace at 95% odds :mad: )

1410AD: Lose Thaenae to another very lucky NCav; retake it immediately

1420AD: Upgrade 1 ele to cav to get it to battle faster

1430AD: Reject OB w/Mehmed; give 200 tribute to Genghis (pleased); Sack Hadememtum or whatever it's called. Lost 2 suicide cats and 1 elephant at 95% odds :mad: . GG born use him for a MA in Munich, hope that is ok.

1440AD: Hannibal has rifles. Now this really sucks because I was in the middle of a two-pronged attack that was going to take out two more of his cities and then we could converge those forces and wipe out him and Alex along the East coast. But alas he has upgraded all troops to rifles and now I can't take the Western city. The eastern one can still be overwhelmed with superior numbers and some suicide cats. Dunno now what to do with western stack.

1450AD: Nada

Well, it seems to me that we are going to need grens to deal with rifles. I am sure that Nappy probably has rifles as well. We are gonna need grens to deal with them. To me that means getting at least 1 GS but we are suffering major WW making assigning scientists difficult. I am worried that if we sign peace that Hannibal and/or Alex could become vassals of Nappy putting us in a real hole. Hannibal only has 4 cities left and we are more powerful finally. Nappy is sky-high on power.

I have also assigned theatres everywhere although that can be changed. I figure if we are gonna press on we will need them for the :) and if not we will need them for the GT to draft units to supplement a later army to attack again.

And, lo and behold, I attached the save :lol:
 

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If we decide to pull this war longer, Carthage is to be captured. It influences Thapsus. And Thapsus possibly influences another city.

Economy is shrinking. I would beg for peace.
 
hmm looks tough...

I would suggest to skip those theatres for another round of military. with the troops we have we should be able to take uthica and thapsus (I mean the city east of Uthica where our second stack is right now). plant our GA in uthica rebuild and kill han and alex.

other option is as Giaur suggested to sue for peace right away wait for grens and then wage some war.

any suggestions on what to do with the GE?

I actually prefer option 1 because it'll cripple han some more, that way he can't rebuild as fast. although, this makes him more likely to become nappy's vassal...
 
If war weariness is a problem, make peace with Alex. That's probably half or more of it.

My inclination is to fight on, at least for a while. He may have rifles now, but he's still in turtle mode. By concentrating forces and sacrificing some cats, we can still take cities.

peace,
lilnev
 
we cannot currently make peace with alex although we will eventually be able to.

i am concerned about hannibal becoming a vassal to nappy. if we make peace now i don't think he will, but if we are forced to make peace after taking around 2 more cities then i think he might. that will result in any additional war bringing nappy into the equation which could prove disastrous.

since chem is lightbulbable, i would be in favour of the following:

-peace with han then alex
-trade for PP with nappy to open up both rifling and chem lightbulb
-lightbulb chem and trade to nappy for rifling (i will explain below)
-build/whip theatres and get GT set up
-draft rifles and build/whip grens
-take out han and alex

i think attacking nappy in renaissance is not a good idea. i think we have to shoot for a tech lead in industrial era (i'm thinking first to tanks here) before taking him on. another possibility--since they are so damn backwards--is to wipe out the other continent. although that could prove tricky and would necessitate us being able to trust nappy and i'm not sure we can.

in short, i think we can afford to trade chem for rifling with nappy because although it will help him, it will also help us a lot and i don't think we can take him out in renaissance anyways. he is backwards enough in tech that we should be able to get a tech lead on him at some point which we can then leverage to take him out/handle his stacks.

the alternative is to push on against hannibal which i believe will be very bloody and will result in us losing a lot of troops. it will take many suicide cats in order for us to handle his many rifles with a mainly horse-based army. i think this fact combined with rising WW makes me lean toward getting peace and going for chem/rifling to get a stronger and more balanced army so we can more easily take out han and alex. this will i believe put us in a better position to then gun for a tech lead with which to attack nappy.

i think the other continent will become easy pickings at some point so that is something to consider as well.
 
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