Emperor training grounds--I need training!

[plarq]

Let's start a Emperor Training SG,with two slots for trainer and four for trainee.

Map Size:Standard
Land type:Continent 70% water
Civ:India
Geology and Climate:Random
Opps:7 Random
Barbs:Random
AI Aggression:Normal
Using LKendter Rules(Thanks LK)

The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

RoP Rape - if you have to ask...

RoP Abuse that includes things such as irrigating all tiles with a city building wonders, denying resources with a RoP, putting a unit to block a land bridge, etc.

Scout resource denial - parking a scout on a resource, as the AI won't ask scouts to leave. The same scenario also applies to workers.

False Peace Treaties (must wait for the 20 years to end).

The negative science exploit - you can run a huge deficit (-250 / turn) of negative cash with a token penalty of one lost worker / cheap building. If cash will go below zero, the research level must be dropped.

Ship chaining exploit - you can move a ship, unload troops to another ship, move that ship, etc. This allows you to ship an indefinite distance, and that is why I consider it an exploit.

Resources disconnect / connect exploit - I consider most resource tactics fine. Delaying to hook a resource, trading it away etc is fine. The exploit is to do this every turn. Build a stack of horses, connect saltpeter, upgrade to cavalry, and disconnect.

Palace Jump - You abandon the capital city to move the palace to a new location. If you want to move the palace, build a new palace.

Standard LK house rules:
1) Worker automation of any kind is prohibited.
2) No worker purchases during the first 50 turns to avoid civ crippling.
3) Declaring war / demanding leave solely for the purpose of getting out of trade deals. This includes nonsense spying simply to force a war. Stealing techs is fine.
4) Even if not covered under exploits listed, please try not to use tactics that take advantage of holes in the game design.
5) Our trading reputation is golden - please respect it.
6) Complete your turn. It is frustrating to get a 1/2 completed turn.

My preference:Trainee must beat Monarch Epic ONCE
Trainers should be DG or Diety level players,perhaps all busy at other SG.

Trainers:
Bede(?)
Open

Trainees:
Plarq
Viper275
eldar
Open

Wanna wear the imperial crown for the first time?Join.
Wanna teach young emperor how to rule the empire?Join.

Edit:On C3C 1.22f,won 1525AD,domination.

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

I'm already running 2 Monarch training SGs, and recently lurked a lot in another one.
No, by no means I'm able to join another one, but 2 suggestions:
1) Regardless of the initial response, pick a standard size map instead of large. You'll learn the most in the first half of the game, and here standard makes no difference. But the endgame on 'Large' may get tedious.
Note quite a number of trainees (and even trainers, for different -but better- reasons) tends to drop out.
2) Pick a rarely played Civ, to attract Lurkers - India, Mongols, Spain, Rome come to mind.

 

[plarq]

Thanks,DocT for your kind comments.I'm thinking of a small or standard start,making the game sweet and sound.For the 2nd suggestion,I think we can pick Carthage or Portugal,both are rare.But India makes more sense--it can build Knight UU with no resource

 

[Bede]

I'm not DocT but would be glad to help out.

 

[scoutsout]

Subscribing...because I need to catch up with someone on here. (@Brother Bede )

Not a sign up ... trying to make a comeback here.

 

[viper275]

I'll sign up (as a trainee)! Doc had good ideas, I don't think I've ever played as Spain or the Mongols, Standard size map seems more manageable. Portugal isn't played much as far as I know and I haven't played as them either. Keep in mind with India that in C3C the War Elephant has an additional health point.
Edit: Yay! Scout is back!

 

[eldar]

Count me in as a Trainee, if you'll have me (this will also be my first SG).

Neil.

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Portugal isn't played much as

Portuguese are featured in CotM6 in 3 days.

 

[plarq]

I think we can choose India,religious for revolution,commercial for Alphabet and Republic Slingshot.UU for bad luck on resource,Wonderful!
Map Size:Standard
Land type:Continent 70% water
Geology and Climate:Random
Opps:7 random

 

[viper275]

Looks great to me.

 

[Bede]

Been a while since I had a ride in a howdah. Sounds like fun. Imperial India here we come.

What about yokels (barbarians)?

 

[plarq]

Barbarians?Random
Build our Indian Empire!
Can we fix a roster soon this weekend?
So,shall we begin this evening?(GMT+8)

 

[plarq]

Ok,I put a random start up to discussion.
Victory:All except Wonder
Culture link OFF,respawn OFF.Acceleration OFF.Culture conversion ON.SGL OFF.
And Here is the save
Save

 

[viper275]

The picture isn't showing, but it works when I tried.

5 BG!! I'm thinking worker east (will want to work the first BG anyway and can explore too) then settler 1 SW (so that we don't settle on a BG and can use all 5) unless we see something good.

 

[plarq]

Hey,Viper,that was quick!You see the picture faster than I am!
5 BG?I didn't check,is it down the settler's feet?
If it is,I also suggest moving SE to prevent wasting a shield of BG.
Damn we have no cows or wheats or wines
And ,can I play 15 turns now?

 

[Bede]

Two things make this an interesting start: no food bonus and no visible luxuries, but it is certainly worth playing.

@viper,
Did you mean SE?, the graphics aren't clear.

I shamlessly cribbed DocT's starting questions for us to ponder:
1) Who are our opponents?
2) Which units to move first, and where?
3) After founding: How should the Governor be set?
4) What to research first?
5) What to build first?

Starting tonight would be great. (I''m GMT-5, BTW)

As a way for everybody to get their feet wet in the Ganges, everybody play twenty, post a log and save for discussion, then pick the save to continue on with.

 

[plarq]

Agree to Bede start my 20 turn(A.k.a a thousand years)

 

[plarq]

Save

Turn 1:4000BC,Gandhi start adventure.
Worker E,found a game forest NE.
Settler SE,well 5BG immediately and a game forest waiting for our Delhi!
IBT:Nothing
Turn 2:3950BC,found Delhi,work on BG riverside,start Pottery MAX,due in 15 turns.Worker road.
IBT:Nothing
Turn 3:3900BC,continue building warrior.
IBT:Nothing
Turn 4:3800BC,road complete,Pottery down to 10 turns,worker mine BG.
IBT:Nothing
Turn 5:3750BC,zzzzz
IBT:Warrior ready,start another.
Turn 6:3700BC,rename warrior to Plarq Warrior 1.Warrior S,find Incence hill 3 tiles SW Delhi,with a river flowing by.Oh my god,after expansion we have 6 BG and a game forest!
IBT:Nothing
Turn 7:3650BC,Warrior S,nothing new.
IBT:Nothing
Turn 8:3600BC,Warrior SW,spot a GH and desert in the southern area
IBT:Nothing
Turn 9:3550BC,Warrior pops angry Tartar warriors.
IBTlarq Warrior wins 2-2
Turn 10:3500BC,Mine Complete,Warrior E climb a mountain,spotting 2 sugars.Worker goto Game forest to chop woods.
IBTelhi grows,warrior trained as MP,border expansion,chopping the game forest. Delhi:5spt,2fpt,build a temple.
Turn 11:3450BC,I think temple may waste some shields,change to a barracks,or can we say it a prebuild?
IBT:Nothing
Turn 12:3400BC,Plarq warrior E,nothing new
IBT:Nothing
Turn 13:3350BC,Plarq NE,find the coast
Science down to 10%,Pot 1 turn
IBTottery in,Min on Writing
Turn 14:3300BC,Delhi changed to a granary.Plarq S
IBT:Game Forest chopped
Turn 15:3250BC,worker irrigate Game
Plarq S,spot a Vandal warrior S,find teal border(China?)
IBT:Vandal Warrior killed by orange warrior
Turn 16:3200BC,thanks Lizzy!Your warrior save my life,she is up BW,lack CB,have 10 bucks,no deal.Plarq E to meet Teal,an incense in teal border,and Volcano S
IBT:Nothing
Turn 17:3150BC,warrior E,meet Isabella of Spain,she's up BW and 70 gold!
IBT:Isabella wants me out.
Turn 18:3100BC,warrior E,find Madrid size 2 on deserts and FPs.MM Delhi ,game to Forest.
IBT:Nothing
Turn 19:3050BC,irrigation complete.Worker W,to mine another BG,Plarq W(Spanish block the way E & S)
IBT:Isabella said "Move or Declare",I move
Turn 20:3000BC,Delhi size 3,Lux 10%,13s left for Granary.Plarq SW.

 

[plarq]

And here is screenshot

 

[eldar]

Two things make this an interesting start: no food bonus and no visible luxuries, but it is certainly worth playing.

@viper,
Did you mean SE?, the graphics aren't clear.

I shamlessly cribbed DocT's starting questions for us to ponder:
1) Who are our opponents?

F10 to check.

2) Which units to move first, and where?

Worker NE. Reasons:
- It'll show up any possible food bonuses & luxes in that direction, before we settle.
- We're working that square first anyway. It's next to the forest, which we'll probably want to chop after mining and roading the BG.
- We don't want to move the Worker to the side of the river Delhi won't be on - it'll waste worker turns moving back through the city, even after the square is roaded.
- Unless the Worker shows up something interesting, settle on the spot.

3) After founding: How should the Governor be set?

Emphasize production. So we work the best production square on growth, usually essential in Settler factories.

4) What to research first?

Pottery (max), then start on Writing->CoL->Phil->Rep for free (all at max). From what I gather, it's possible at Emperor.... If at any point it looks like failing, cut to min/zero research and trade.

5) What to build first?

Warrior (scouting), Warrior (MP), Temple (pre-build for Granary)

Starting tonight would be great. (I''m GMT-5, BTW)

As a way for everybody to get their feet wet in the Ganges, everybody play twenty, post a log and save for discussion, then pick the save to continue on with.

I'll try to put 20 turns together tomorrow morning.

Neil.