Ethnic chart

[Duke William of Normandy]

Oh really? Europe subjugated the whole world with it. (no, I am not happy wit hthis historical liability, and backfireing time is near... but it is as it is.)

That's not my point. My point is that the Chinese were using this long before the Europeans did, and to good effect.

 

[Rotomagus]

Wasn't Alexander suspected to be bisexual/gay?

they are suspecting everyone to have been gay nowadays...

That's not my point. My point is that the Chinese were using this long before the Europeans did, and to good effect.

but it is MY point!?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

but it is MY point!?

The way you phrased it makes it seem like the Chinese did nothing with Gunpowder, however, if you meant otherwise, than I understand.

 

[Rotomagus]

MUST... NOT... ANSWER...

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

MUST... NOT... ANSWER...

OK... Don't know what this is supposed to mean, but I hope it has polite connotations.

 

[fy00sh]

I don't think Cleopatra is mix race Greek-Egyptian, because, as the Habsubsurgo, the Ptolomaic family make inbreeding relationship. That means she is full helenic greek.

I will admit i misremembered this and spread misinfo by claiming Cleopatra was part egyptian, I misremembered. Tho apparently she'd've been part persian probably, for what it's worth. Still doesn't change my point tho - even tho she's ethnically hellenic, she's representing Egypt, and is seen broadly as a part of egyptian history and culture, and the chart doesn't account for this when being used to judge representation.

Wasn't Alexander suspected to be bisexual/gay?

Yep, at least he would've been by today's standards. At the time it was just a normal thing for dudes to do, and not seen as being contradictory to having a wife and having sex with women. Hellenic culture was so misogynistic and so revered the male body that they saw it as a good thing for men to be attracted to men, and have sex with each other, because that's just men (smart, good) appreciating the beauty of men (immaculate, gorgeous, peak human performance).
Not to say it's not queer representation. It's just that it wasn't a marginalized identity back then.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Yep, at least he would've been by today's standards. At the time it was just a normal thing for dudes to do, and not seen as being contradictory to having a wife and having sex with women. Hellenic culture was so misogynistic and so revered the male body that they saw it as a good thing for men to be attracted to men, and have sex with each other, because that's just men (smart, good) appreciating the beauty of men (immaculate, gorgeous, peak human performance).
Not to say it's not queer representation. It's just that it wasn't a marginalized identity back then.

That's why the G in LGBTQ actually means Greek instead of Gay. And yes, I reused a joke.

 

[Rotomagus]

OK... Don't know what this is supposed to mean, but I hope it has polite connotations.

was based on the whole thread, not you...

 

[João III]

That's not my point. My point is that the Chinese were using this long before the Europeans did, and to good effect.

Could even make a case the Turks were the first to use it to notable effect. RIP Constantinople, gone too soon

 

[Henri Christophe]

The very first sentence of your own link says the term "Caucasian" is outdated.

Also, you grouped Philip and Pedro based on lineage but the Māori based on geography?

yes, it can be outdated by still very usefull
And yes, I put Maori just based on Geography to him don't stay alone. But you are right. He should be alone in a Polynesia category.

Do we need now LGBTbla-leaders, too?

Should be great if we had more LGBT leaders, as far I know just Alexander of Macedon is gay in this game. But, I can't figure out great gay names to be more gender diverse this game... so, I just asked for more Black and Native Americans civs to be, at least, more ethnic diverse.


And of course there is a duty to be diverse, this is the most influencial game of history there is in the market. They teach history to kids, they need to think in the duty to be diverse.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

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