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Paasky
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Here are a few scrrenies. Notice that some images are missing, the texts are in strange sizes, and the unit doesn't show where the arrow points. Any idea on what could cause this? Could it be because I have 26 different religions? Also, the different trade icons on the right-side of the city screen show up as completely different icons (Dyes=OpenBorders).
Paasky
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They are different nationalities (French, Irish, Scottish, British, etc)and they create happiness/unhappiness depending on your civics & state "religion".
I haven't added any icons, is it possible that the religions are pushing the old ones out of the way?
I haven't added any icons, is it possible that the religions are pushing the old ones out of the way?
Holistic
wrapped in plastic
Not much of a history buff, but didn't "nationalism" only rise to prominence (in Europe) after the Napoleonic era (and in some countries, e.g. Germany, because of it)? If so, does it really make sense to replace religions with nationalities? Wouldn't, say, political ideologies make slightly more sense, especially given how strongly connected the three "classical" ideologies (liberalism, conservatism and socialism) are to the French revolution?
Paasky
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The different nationalities work in a different way depending on your civics: The Nationalist has 5 happy per every state religion, but 5 unhappy for every non-state religion. I'll add atelast 2 others, I just have to figure out a name for them. One gives +/-1 per religion (sort of like feudalism, this is used by the 3 big ones: Ottoman, Austria & Russia), the second one is in between, used in most other countries. I'll come up with something better than +/- 2 happy.
In nationalism, the people are loyal for the country, therefore all other nationalities won't like to live there. The Feudal one is where people are loyal for their local lords, and the last one is where the people are loyal for their king.
Any good name suggestions (than feudalism & monarchy), or more civic suggestions?
I played a bit today as napoleon, the French can build an army very quickly, even though the production time for line infantry ranges from 3-10 weeks.
In nationalism, the people are loyal for the country, therefore all other nationalities won't like to live there. The Feudal one is where people are loyal for their local lords, and the last one is where the people are loyal for their king.
Any good name suggestions (than feudalism & monarchy), or more civic suggestions?
I played a bit today as napoleon, the French can build an army very quickly, even though the production time for line infantry ranges from 3-10 weeks.
Holistic
wrapped in plastic
Oh, I see. Just thought it might be a slight anachronism, having a concept of nationalities when depicting an era where they didn't matter -- as much.
As for more civics in the Nationality-category, perhaps Cosmopolitanism (loyalty to no country; in civ-terms this is "bad" -- can civics be forced onto players?) and "Social Contract" (well, a better name is needed, basically where the loyalty is to a constitution as opposed to an ethnical or cultural entity (e.g. USA, France))?
As for more civics in the Nationality-category, perhaps Cosmopolitanism (loyalty to no country; in civ-terms this is "bad" -- can civics be forced onto players?) and "Social Contract" (well, a better name is needed, basically where the loyalty is to a constitution as opposed to an ethnical or cultural entity (e.g. USA, France))?
Paasky
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Cosmopolitanism doesn't have to be bad: No state religion, no +/- happiness from religions, -1 trade route. +25% military productioncost, -50% building productioncost. Anything else it should do? And which nation would have this to begin with?
And wouldn't Nationalism be "Social Contract"? I do believe evcry american citizen is american by their "religion", correct?
How about these for Kingdom: +1 happiness in all cities, +1/-2 happiness from all religions, +50% hammers and +50% commerce in capital.
Also, add +2 experience points in cities with state religion to feudalism, and how about No maintenance cost from distance to palace for Nationalism to make every one of them make something else than happiness.
And wouldn't Nationalism be "Social Contract"? I do believe evcry american citizen is american by their "religion", correct?
How about these for Kingdom: +1 happiness in all cities, +1/-2 happiness from all religions, +50% hammers and +50% commerce in capital.
Also, add +2 experience points in cities with state religion to feudalism, and how about No maintenance cost from distance to palace for Nationalism to make every one of them make something else than happiness.
Paasky
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I've decided that GBR, FRA, PRU, RUS & OTT get unique units. What about Sweden? Should I give them re-skinned units, or go with the default ones everyone else gets?
Here's what I've come up for the units:
FRA:
All units have the same cost as default ones, but +1 strength, +2 for arty
GBR:
Cost more to build, but no upkeep.
PRU:
Cost more to build, and +2 strength, +1 for arty.
RUS:
Cost less to build, but -1 strength
OTT:
Cost more to build & -1 strength for arty, -2 for inf 6 cav (the ottomans are just too big, and their army sucks)
SWE:
Defaults.
Here's what I've come up for the units:
FRA:
All units have the same cost as default ones, but +1 strength, +2 for arty
GBR:
Cost more to build, but no upkeep.
PRU:
Cost more to build, and +2 strength, +1 for arty.
RUS:
Cost less to build, but -1 strength
OTT:
Cost more to build & -1 strength for arty, -2 for inf 6 cav (the ottomans are just too big, and their army sucks)
SWE:
Defaults.
Paasky
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No, as the units will be reskinned to look like the clothing the armies wore (French are mostly Blue, British Red, Russians Green, etc)
And I just copy-pasted the units, now I only have to change the strengths & costs.
How's that python coming? Btw, snarko did the stamina thing (the more they have been attacked, the easier its for cavalry to kill them), hopefulyl you can integrate that into your codes.
And I just copy-pasted the units, now I only have to change the strengths & costs.
How's that python coming? Btw, snarko did the stamina thing (the more they have been attacked, the easier its for cavalry to kill them), hopefulyl you can integrate that into your codes.
Archduke Otto
Warlord
Aaaaaaaargh... Austria has no special units? Imerial Austria? Mighty Austria? I'll start crying 
.
Now for a serious remark by me: I think Prussia should have cosmopolitanism for its enormously liberal government.
.Now for a serious remark by me: I think Prussia should have cosmopolitanism for its enormously liberal government.
Paasky
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I forgot to put Austria, but they do have unique units, Archduketator
The are completely default, no + or - in anything. Unless you have a suggestion...?
Now to just find people to re-skin & move the armaments from one unit to another...
The are completely default, no + or - in anything. Unless you have a suggestion...?
Now to just find people to re-skin & move the armaments from one unit to another...
Archduke Otto
Warlord
Hi Paasky.
I guess a possibility would be the following:
Austria's army didn't fare too well on the battlefield in that period (actually in no period). However, Austria was a big factor in bringing down Napoleon due to its relentless will to fight France. Once defeated, Austria set up new armies from scratch again and again. Maybe that could be reflected by making austrian infantry cheaper than other nation's infantry.
Another two suggestions, if I may dare to give such, is that Austrian light infantry ('Grenzer'), mainly recruited from croats alson the Austrian-Ottoman border, receive some automatic 'woodsman' promotion or even 'commando' promotion for their ability in guerillia warfare. Or maybe Austrian hussars should be slightly better than those of other nations, since hussars are originally from Hungary...
Hope this is no hassle. You're doing great work, Paasky.
I guess a possibility would be the following:
Austria's army didn't fare too well on the battlefield in that period (actually in no period). However, Austria was a big factor in bringing down Napoleon due to its relentless will to fight France. Once defeated, Austria set up new armies from scratch again and again. Maybe that could be reflected by making austrian infantry cheaper than other nation's infantry.
Another two suggestions, if I may dare to give such, is that Austrian light infantry ('Grenzer'), mainly recruited from croats alson the Austrian-Ottoman border, receive some automatic 'woodsman' promotion or even 'commando' promotion for their ability in guerillia warfare. Or maybe Austrian hussars should be slightly better than those of other nations, since hussars are originally from Hungary...
Hope this is no hassle. You're doing great work, Paasky.
Archduke Otto
Warlord
Ah, before I forget: I love the screenshots. Can't wait for it to become true, really...
Archduke Otto
Warlord
But sure it's the right word. Frederic the Great was the most enlightened King of the 18th century and Prussia was know for its tolerance especially in religious matters. As Frederic said: I don't mind what my people believe in, as long as they heed my orders.
Besides, Prussia was not more militaristic than others states. A country with no natural borders needs a large army. Prussias history has often enough proven that its army was in reality not big enough to fend off all its enemies that were greedily grasping for its territory.
The Prissian monarchy indeed was arch-liberal; what happened with the lifeless Prussian republic after 1919 is a different story.
Besides, Prussia was not more militaristic than others states. A country with no natural borders needs a large army. Prussias history has often enough proven that its army was in reality not big enough to fend off all its enemies that were greedily grasping for its territory.
The Prissian monarchy indeed was arch-liberal; what happened with the lifeless Prussian republic after 1919 is a different story.
Paasky
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I'd say the cosmopolitism is most like the city-states of greece, with the exception that they are atleast semi-united. Although that would again be like feudalism, where the people fight for their local lords, not for the king.
Another thing: Leaders. What were they? I only know one, Napoleon...
Another thing: Leaders. What were they? I only know one, Napoleon...
Archduke Otto
Warlord
Hi Lord Olleus,
Sorry, I didn't mean to be pretentious.
Sure, you're right the Rhine is quite an important obstacle. And if looked at closely, Prussia is quite safe from the south, where the Sudet mountain range flanks the heart of the Prussian state.
Also, you're right that the Prussian state had a fairly militaristic outlook. However, it's religious (and also economic) policy was rather liberal, i.e., whereas France and Austria at times (and I say: at times, not that this has always been like that) expelled people because of religion, Prussia gladly took the refugees (i.e. the Hugenotts or the Salzburg Protestants).
Still in 1914, many important Prussian people (even in the military) were of French descent. Consider for example General Hutier or the Romancier Theodor Fontane.
Having said this, it must be admitted that the Prussian state became more and more paranoid towards the end of the 19th century; being liberal on some fronts and highly oppressive on others (such as treating Poles in its eastern provinces badly).
Hope, I don't sound too pretentious again.
@Paasky
Now, for the leaders:
I can name you some important ones. If you need more names, I'll list them for you. If you need information about them, i.e. what they did, what their strengths were, I gladly research and post the information.
I'll try to list three per great power, one for the minors.
Austria:
- Count Metternich, Politician, Diplomat and Statesman
- Archduke Charles, Brother of Emperor Francis and most successful Austrian commander in the field - the only military commander of the period that defeated Napoleon, when Napoleon was actually present on the field at the battle of Aspern-Essling (now, the English will hate, hate, hate me).
- Fieldmarshall Count Schwarzenberg, commander of the united allied armeis at the battle of Leipzig.
Prussia:
- Fieldmarshall Count Blücher, Napoleons most fanatical enemy, probably a mediocre general, but great at inspiring nationalist fervour in his men (basically, he should have some binus if he is based within a few tiles from a vineyard...)
- Queen Louise of Prussia, once termed by Napoleon as the 'only true man in Prussia'. She was widely know as Europe's most beautiful woman. If it wasn't for the fact that Mme de Staël had lived in the same time, she might also be the most intellectual woman of the time. Great at inspiring the army and her people.
- General Count Gneisenau. Excellent military organiser. (As a replacement for him, you might want to consider Carl von Causewitz, the great military theoretician).
Russia:
-Fieldmarshal Suvorov: fought in Italy in 1798, crossed the alps to Switzerlad and cause havoc there. Howver, he was too old to fight the young French generals with lasting success.
-Fieldmarshall Kutusov: Te hero that retreated before Napoleon into the depths of Russia.
-Zar Alexander. A very illustrious person. At times staunchly conservative, at times liberal. at times completely mystical and religious. a great inspiring person.
Engeland, Engeland, Engeland (World Cup is coming...):
-Sir Wellington, ah actually, Sir Arthur Wellesley. The best of Engish generals and gentlemen.
-General Moore; Great Commander in Spain
-General Picton (Here's to the Scottish): A commander of the Scotsguards. I think, those kilt-wearing men are so well known for the Napoleonic wars, especially for Waterloo, that they simply deserve to have a personality in the game...
Now, I'm gonna check who I find for the minors and the Ottomans. Which minors do you need.
Cheers and till later.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be pretentious.
Sure, you're right the Rhine is quite an important obstacle. And if looked at closely, Prussia is quite safe from the south, where the Sudet mountain range flanks the heart of the Prussian state.
Also, you're right that the Prussian state had a fairly militaristic outlook. However, it's religious (and also economic) policy was rather liberal, i.e., whereas France and Austria at times (and I say: at times, not that this has always been like that) expelled people because of religion, Prussia gladly took the refugees (i.e. the Hugenotts or the Salzburg Protestants).
Still in 1914, many important Prussian people (even in the military) were of French descent. Consider for example General Hutier or the Romancier Theodor Fontane.
Having said this, it must be admitted that the Prussian state became more and more paranoid towards the end of the 19th century; being liberal on some fronts and highly oppressive on others (such as treating Poles in its eastern provinces badly).
Hope, I don't sound too pretentious again.
@Paasky
Now, for the leaders:
I can name you some important ones. If you need more names, I'll list them for you. If you need information about them, i.e. what they did, what their strengths were, I gladly research and post the information.
I'll try to list three per great power, one for the minors.
Austria:
- Count Metternich, Politician, Diplomat and Statesman
- Archduke Charles, Brother of Emperor Francis and most successful Austrian commander in the field - the only military commander of the period that defeated Napoleon, when Napoleon was actually present on the field at the battle of Aspern-Essling (now, the English will hate, hate, hate me).
- Fieldmarshall Count Schwarzenberg, commander of the united allied armeis at the battle of Leipzig.
Prussia:
- Fieldmarshall Count Blücher, Napoleons most fanatical enemy, probably a mediocre general, but great at inspiring nationalist fervour in his men (basically, he should have some binus if he is based within a few tiles from a vineyard...)
- Queen Louise of Prussia, once termed by Napoleon as the 'only true man in Prussia'. She was widely know as Europe's most beautiful woman. If it wasn't for the fact that Mme de Staël had lived in the same time, she might also be the most intellectual woman of the time. Great at inspiring the army and her people.
- General Count Gneisenau. Excellent military organiser. (As a replacement for him, you might want to consider Carl von Causewitz, the great military theoretician).
Russia:
-Fieldmarshal Suvorov: fought in Italy in 1798, crossed the alps to Switzerlad and cause havoc there. Howver, he was too old to fight the young French generals with lasting success.
-Fieldmarshall Kutusov: Te hero that retreated before Napoleon into the depths of Russia.
-Zar Alexander. A very illustrious person. At times staunchly conservative, at times liberal. at times completely mystical and religious. a great inspiring person.
Engeland, Engeland, Engeland (World Cup is coming...):
-Sir Wellington, ah actually, Sir Arthur Wellesley. The best of Engish generals and gentlemen.
-General Moore; Great Commander in Spain
-General Picton (Here's to the Scottish): A commander of the Scotsguards. I think, those kilt-wearing men are so well known for the Napoleonic wars, especially for Waterloo, that they simply deserve to have a personality in the game...
Now, I'm gonna check who I find for the minors and the Ottomans. Which minors do you need.
Cheers and till later.
Paasky
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Otto: I was rather thinking of the "real" leaders (Kings, Emperors, etc). But these will be good for the Generals that are placed on the map.
Civlist:
- French Empire (1)
- British Empire (2)
- Kingdom of Spain (3)
- Kingdom of Portugal (4)
- Ottoman Empire (5)
- Russian Empire (6)
- Kingdom of Sweden (7)
- Kingdom of Denmark (8)
- Austrian Empire (9)
- Kingdom of Sardinia (10)
- Kingdom of Naples (11)
- Papal States (12)
- Prussia (13)
- Holland (14)
- Saxony (15)
- Bavaria (16)
- German States (17)
- Hannover-Mecklenburg
Olleus: It'll start April 1800 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolutionary_Wars:_Campaigns_of_1800 ) They will be at war, but permanently only with GBR.
Civlist:
- French Empire (1)
- British Empire (2)
- Kingdom of Spain (3)
- Kingdom of Portugal (4)
- Ottoman Empire (5)
- Russian Empire (6)
- Kingdom of Sweden (7)
- Kingdom of Denmark (8)
- Austrian Empire (9)
- Kingdom of Sardinia (10)
- Kingdom of Naples (11)
- Papal States (12)
- Prussia (13)
- Holland (14)
- Saxony (15)
- Bavaria (16)
- German States (17)
- Hannover-Mecklenburg
Olleus: It'll start April 1800 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolutionary_Wars:_Campaigns_of_1800 ) They will be at war, but permanently only with GBR.
Archduke Otto
Warlord
So, Paasky, here they are:
- French Empire (1) Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France
- British Empire (2) George, Princeregent (Ruled for his insane father George III)
- Kingdom of Spain (3) Charles IV. King of Spain (or, form 1808 onwards, Napoleon's brother Joseph)
- Kingdom of Portugal (4) Pedro III.
- Ottoman Empire (5) Mustafa IV. , 'Kayser-i-Rum' (that's the official title of ottoman rulers)
- Russian Empire (6) Zar Alexander I.
- Kingdom of Sweden (7) Gustav IV Adolf
- Kingdom of Denmark (8) Christian VII
- Austrian Empire (9) Emperor Francis I. (Dozens of titles can be included here)
- Kingdom of Sardinia (10) Carlo Emanuele IV.
- Kingdom of Naples (11) Ferdinand IV. of Bourbon (or, if its allied with Napoleon: Joachim Murat, Marhall of France, King of Naples)
- Papal States (12) Pope Pius VII.
- Prussia (13) King Frederick-William III.
- Holland (14) - was the Batavian Rpublic at the time, allied with France, then became Kingdom under Napoleon's brother Louis
- Saxony (15) Frederick Augustus I (Elector of Saxony, from 1805 King)
- Bavaria (16) Maximilian I. Joseph (Elector of Bavaria, from 1805 King)
- German States (17) I propose: Frederick I, King of Würtemberg (or, if this is allied with Napoleon: Jerôme, King of Westphalia)
- Hannover-Mecklenburg Frederick-Francis I. Grand Duke of Mecklenburg
I hope this might be of help.
See ya.
- French Empire (1) Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France
- British Empire (2) George, Princeregent (Ruled for his insane father George III)
- Kingdom of Spain (3) Charles IV. King of Spain (or, form 1808 onwards, Napoleon's brother Joseph)
- Kingdom of Portugal (4) Pedro III.
- Ottoman Empire (5) Mustafa IV. , 'Kayser-i-Rum' (that's the official title of ottoman rulers)
- Russian Empire (6) Zar Alexander I.
- Kingdom of Sweden (7) Gustav IV Adolf
- Kingdom of Denmark (8) Christian VII
- Austrian Empire (9) Emperor Francis I. (Dozens of titles can be included here)
- Kingdom of Sardinia (10) Carlo Emanuele IV.
- Kingdom of Naples (11) Ferdinand IV. of Bourbon (or, if its allied with Napoleon: Joachim Murat, Marhall of France, King of Naples)
- Papal States (12) Pope Pius VII.
- Prussia (13) King Frederick-William III.
- Holland (14) - was the Batavian Rpublic at the time, allied with France, then became Kingdom under Napoleon's brother Louis
- Saxony (15) Frederick Augustus I (Elector of Saxony, from 1805 King)
- Bavaria (16) Maximilian I. Joseph (Elector of Bavaria, from 1805 King)
- German States (17) I propose: Frederick I, King of Würtemberg (or, if this is allied with Napoleon: Jerôme, King of Westphalia)
- Hannover-Mecklenburg Frederick-Francis I. Grand Duke of Mecklenburg
I hope this might be of help.
See ya.
Paasky
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This helps a lot, thanks. You could still find me more generals if you can. Maybe even some not-so-great ones, as the General unit is also buildable (although there's a max of 5) and it would be good to have a name for each one, atleast a few names.
jlocke
Cold Warrior
Actually by this time, in the primary source I have read, the Ottoman Sultan's title (in addition to Sultan, Amir a-Mu'minin, Khalifa) was "Padishah" which combined the persian, semitic, and turkic notions of rightly guided kingship.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sultan)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padishah)
Also the Turkish leader should be:
Selim III (1789–1807)
not:
Mustafa IV (1807–1808)
I don't know s___ about the Austrian or Prussian gov'ts of this time, but I have studied the Ottomans a good deal.
Btw... you may want to make independent the Mamluks in Egypt under Ottoman suzreignty...when Napoleon invaded Egypt, Constantaniyya sent no Ottoman forces (janissarys or others) but it was the Mamluks (local Amirs, slave soldiers) who rather unsuccessfully fought the French. This would be better to prevent France and Turkey from a full scale war, which did not/ would not occur in the 19th century.
btw:
did you know that Napoleon brought the first arabic language printing press to the Middle East? They used it for his propaganda, where he claimed to be on the side of the Ottomans against the corrupt Mamluks.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sultan)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padishah)
Also the Turkish leader should be:
Selim III (1789–1807)
not:
Mustafa IV (1807–1808)
I don't know s___ about the Austrian or Prussian gov'ts of this time, but I have studied the Ottomans a good deal.
Btw... you may want to make independent the Mamluks in Egypt under Ottoman suzreignty...when Napoleon invaded Egypt, Constantaniyya sent no Ottoman forces (janissarys or others) but it was the Mamluks (local Amirs, slave soldiers) who rather unsuccessfully fought the French. This would be better to prevent France and Turkey from a full scale war, which did not/ would not occur in the 19th century.
btw:
did you know that Napoleon brought the first arabic language printing press to the Middle East? They used it for his propaganda, where he claimed to be on the side of the Ottomans against the corrupt Mamluks.
