Everkane's HoF attempts

[Everkane]

why would you need an SGL for the UN? maybe i am missing something, but why not simply use a pre-build?
t_x

With a perfect prebuild you can make it at the same turn you reach Modern Times, you are right about that, but since prebuild a 1000 shield Wonder is not exactly the easiest thing to do (like my prebuild in the first game I've shown), sometimes a SGL for the UN is an 1-turn-lost thing.

Besides, I wasn't aware about the 1000s Palace at the time I've said I needed a SGL for UN.

Since then I didn't use SGL for UN anymore, all I'm asking is a single SGL for Pyramids in the beginning of the game and 99% of my games I didn't get one.

You are kinda late in your comment since it was about 2 games before this one we are talking about .

 

[templar_x]

i am not checking in regularly, and it is not like i bumped a ten-year-old thread, right?

however, you still seem to need the advice that even if you do not prepare a PERFECT pre-build, it will still be much better to have ANY prebuild and maybe use another turn or two, than to just start the UN after you got the tech for it.



t_x

 

[Kulko]

Hello Kane

Just finished my game in 770 AD The lowlight of the IA was me missing out on Newtons, which meant I had to postpone my GA another 10 turns. But that forced me to better manage my core (push all up to size 12, irrigate where necessary, Optimize my science farm in germany, etc.) In the end I managed 4,5 turn research during the IA, which is a bit worse than I hoped for and missed the 700 AD finish a bit wider than I thought.

Looking how sumeria has managed to outgrow myself even if managed by an AI, and up against an early settler for myself, I am pretty sure, that at emperor Sumeria is the better alternative.

Spoiler :

Start on a river cow with lots of BG around

BC3900: First Goody Hut nets a settler

BC3450: The turn after completion of cB I met the byzantines, which sell Alpha to me.

BC3300: Only 1 Food Bonus in the whole area, and only 1 Lux plus another one a bit further of.

BC2200: Get an SGL on Writing, looks like this game could rock actually.

BC1100: Philo --> republic, 4 turns anarchy

BC0875: Declare War on Byzanz as they have iron.
BC0850: Reach MA, Draw Theology as free tech, send the AIs down the lower branch

BC0650: Make peace with Byzanz getting two more cities. They have no other size 2 town left but apart from there capital so its useless to fight them now, as I lack the settlers to resettle them myself.

BC490: finally the AIs are contributing gpt, which allow me to run on full research, unfortunately all Luxes are on the other side of the continent, which means i cant even trade for them.

About 50 BC I have finally connected Korea and getting luxes from them and sumer.
At this time I also started my first all out war for science farms against Germany, trying to wipe them frome their homeland, while keeping them alive in their colonies for the free techs.

280 AD
I have reached the IA, getting industrialization as my free tech. Also rthis is my first HOF game ever where I had both ressources for railroads by the time I researched Steam.

380 AD
I miss completely on Newtons, which means I mioss completely on my GA unless I start another war.

460 AD I built ToE, finally starting my GA, still without Newton I have problems getting on 4 turn Research in the IA.

I started pushing all my core cities in the first 3 rings to size 12 which nets me 4 turn research when i reach steel. my GA runs out 1 turns before I finish flight (due to the 1 5turner I had in there) which cost me one more turn, as I couldnt finish the last turn no matter what I tried.


730AD On Mass Production I catch another SGL. As I already have a perfectly timed palace prebuild, I have nothing to spend him on.

In 770 AD I hit the Modern Age and let myself get elected immediately

 

[Everkane]

i am not checking in regularly, and it is not like i bumped a ten-year-old thread, right?

however, you still seem to need the advice that even if you do not prepare a PERFECT pre-build, it will still be much better to have ANY prebuild and maybe use another turn or two, than to just start the UN after you got the tech for it.



t_x

Yeah, you are right about that, although I never built the UN without having a prebuild (the worst one was a 12-turns left, I believe it's in this topic by the way). If you pay attention enough you will see me saying I did the prebuild, but it was far from perfection cause I had some issues to work out about that indeed.

And I never knew it was possible to build UN at the same turn you can reach Modern Times. It's very cool to save this extra turn.

But...

In a matter of fact, in this last game (which we were talking about and I've just finished) I made the perfect prebuild and built the UN at the same turn as reached the Modern Times. It's not that hard indeed, it's just a matter of getting used to and to improve the techinique.

The game was already lost anyway and I've finished 970 AD.

Final counts of the two best games:

- 890 AD.
- 970 AD.

Much better than what I was used to be, pretty much far away from the top one of the table.

The #5 one is 890 AD.

Anyway, any other HoF/Diplo games for me only in April. I'm gonna have some fun this month playing Zulus, Mongols and other civs like this .

 

[Everkane]

Hello Kane

Just finished my game in 770 AD The lowlight of the IA was me missing out on Newtons, which meant I had to postpone my GA another 10 turns. But that forced me to better manage my core (push all up to size 12, irrigate where necessary, Optimize my science farm in germany, etc.) In the end I managed 4,5 turn research during the IA, which is a bit worse than I hoped for and missed the 700 AD finish a bit wider than I thought.

Looking how sumeria has managed to outgrow myself even if managed by an AI, and up against an early settler for myself, I am pretty sure, that at emperor Sumeria is the better alternative.

Spoiler :

Start on a river cow with lots of BG around

BC3900: First Goody Hut nets a settler

BC3450: The turn after completion of cB I met the byzantines, which sell Alpha to me.

BC3300: Only 1 Food Bonus in the whole area, and only 1 Lux plus another one a bit further of.

BC2200: Get an SGL on Writing, looks like this game could rock actually.

BC1100: Philo --> republic, 4 turns anarchy

BC0875: Declare War on Byzanz as they have iron.
BC0850: Reach MA, Draw Theology as free tech, send the AIs down the lower branch

BC0650: Make peace with Byzanz getting two more cities. They have no other size 2 town left but apart from there capital so its useless to fight them now, as I lack the settlers to resettle them myself.

BC490: finally the AIs are contributing gpt, which allow me to run on full research, unfortunately all Luxes are on the other side of the continent, which means i cant even trade for them.

About 50 BC I have finally connected Korea and getting luxes from them and sumer.
At this time I also started my first all out war for science farms against Germany, trying to wipe them frome their homeland, while keeping them alive in their colonies for the free techs.

280 AD
I have reached the IA, getting industrialization as my free tech. Also rthis is my first HOF game ever where I had both ressources for railroads by the time I researched Steam.

380 AD
I miss completely on Newtons, which means I mioss completely on my GA unless I start another war.

460 AD I built ToE, finally starting my GA, still without Newton I have problems getting on 4 turn Research in the IA.

I started pushing all my core cities in the first 3 rings to size 12 which nets me 4 turn research when i reach steel. my GA runs out 1 turns before I finish flight (due to the 1 5turner I had in there) which cost me one more turn, as I couldnt finish the last turn no matter what I tried.


730AD On Mass Production I catch another SGL. As I already have a perfectly timed palace prebuild, I have nothing to spend him on.

In 770 AD I hit the Modern Age and let myself get elected immediately

That was pretty cool.

I've learned a lot about sci HoF games in this topic:

The GA timing, 2nd tier techs, SGL for Pyramids or quit, prebuild UN with Palace to gain 1 turn, lousy free MA techs means quit, expansion and settlers/workers full-time, resources getting connected by me since AI seems to doesn't care much about that, add workers to main cities so they can grow and add beakers, probably researching Alphabet is not the best option, etc.

Thanks some guys for explanations. This topic will be kept here for my future HoF games, maybe going Conquests (they are not my fav, but it's funny sometimes) and SpaceShip (since is pretty much sci game and I'm getting used to).

 

[templar_x]

I've learned a lot about sci HoF games in this topic:

not to forget how to use the bold button...

t_x

 

[Everkane]

not to forget how to use the bold button...

t_x

I've always posted like this in all forums.

It's a way better than use CAPS LOCK for a matter of word intonation, like you did a few posts ago.

 

[templar_x]

great, another nutcase... sorry that i did not notice that earlier and talked to you as if it was a normal conversation. for sure i did not mean to intervene with whatever troubles you, and i am not bold enough to claim i have a remedy.
t_x

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[Everkane]

great, another nutcase... sorry that i did not notice that earlier and talked to you as if it was a normal conversation. for sure i did not mean to intervene with whatever troubles you, and i am not bold enough to claim i have a remedy.
t_x

Your offense for no reason at all just shows how unqualified your personality is.

What can I say to a person who comes into my thread, tries to be funny with silly jokes and even attacks me for my way of write in internet forums?

A person who always finishes his posts with "t_x", something which fits very well in a 9-years-old kid.

Really, there's nothing to say but give it a sigh and understand that sometimes in internet forums there will be people who thinks respect is not about your character but about your position in some HoF table or the number of your posts.

Sad, very sad.

 

[iPwn]

This thread inspired me to try a game, too. A lot of things went very wrong, so I guess my finish date is not that bad.

So - Standart pangea, wet, warm, 5 billion, sedentary barbs, 60% water, monarch difficulty. Since it would be boring to play with Sumeria or Russia, I chose Byzantines. Well, I lie, I am actually a Colossus addict. Played the first start I got, did not look too bad - no food bonus (fish only does something when out of despotism), but a river and two mountains with gems! I built a warrior and popped a settler. Great, now I had a plan - I will research Rep slingshot and hope for SGL, new town will build settlers and workers, Constantinople will build my beloved Colossus. So I did. Unfortunately SGL did not happen, so no Pyramids for me. I built Colossus and MoM, GA started. At some point in the beggining of 2nd age I attacked Germans with 4 horsmen, took 2 towns and got another 2 for peace. And the rest was not very interesting.

Things that went well: popped a settler, got both Cope and Newton.

Things that went bad: no SGL for Pyramids, wheat near Adrianople was my only bonus food in whole empire that did something in despotism; did not have coal and could not trade for it so no rails for me; at the beginning of second age nobody got monoteism, actually they did not learn a single required tech for me in 2nd and 3rd age; nobody researched hospitals or Shakespear for me, Constantinople would have been a monster as a metro; I gifted electricity to all AI as soon as I got it as I was hoping they will research Rep. parts for me - they did not; got just one SGL after corporation, at least he was useful for UN.

So a somewhat disapointing finish date of 860 AD. Pic with Constantinople 1 turn before learning flight where it is obvious that Colossus rocks.

 

[Everkane]

This thread inspired me to try a game, too. A lot of things went very wrong, so I guess my finish date is not that bad.

So - Standart pangea, wet, warm, 5 billion, sedentary barbs, 60% water, monarch difficulty. Since it would be boring to play with Sumeria or Russia, I chose Byzantines. Well, I lie, I am actually a Colossus addict. Played the first start I got, did not look too bad - no food bonus (fish only does something when out of despotism), but a river and two mountains with gems! I built a warrior and popped a settler. Great, now I had a plan - I will research Rep slingshot and hope for SGL, new town will build settlers and workers, Constantinople will build my beloved Colossus. So I did. Unfortunately SGL did not happen, so no Pyramids for me. I built Colossus and MoM, GA started. At some point in the beggining of 2nd age I attacked Germans with 4 horsmen, took 2 towns and got another 2 for peace. And the rest was not very interesting.

Things that went well: popped a settler, got both Cope and Newton.

Things that went bad: no SGL for Pyramids, wheat near Adrianople was my only bonus food in whole empire that did something in despotism; did not have coal and could not trade for it so no rails for me; at the beginning of second age nobody got monoteism, actually they did not learn a single required tech for me in 2nd and 3rd age; nobody researched hospitals or Shakespear for me, Constantinople would have been a monster as a metro; I gifted electricity to all AI as soon as I got it as I was hoping they will research Rep. parts for me - they did not; got just one SGL after corporation, at least he was useful for UN.

So a somewhat disapointing finish date of 860 AD. Pic with Constantinople 1 turn before learning flight where it is obvious that Colossus rocks.

Cool!

Not bad indeed, my first tries at Monarch was 1040 AD and even assuming that back at that time I didn't have those critical informations I've learnt here, I believe I would not do much better

Diplo games are pretty cool, if you start to find too boring just up a level (in your case, go to Emperor) the games we are making here are all at Emperor level and feel free to post here how you did if you have a nice finish!

 

[iPwn]

Built Colossus again, this time with Persia, 710 AD, lot of things went wrong as usual. One thing is for sure - no need to play with Sumeria or Russia, the most important factor is luck.

 

[Everkane]

Built Colossus again, this time with Persia, 710 AD, lot of things went wrong as usual. One thing is for sure - no need to play with Sumeria or Russia, the most important factor is luck.

I might agree with you, although in my best finish 890 AD at Emperor I had no luck at all (no SGL, no 2nd tier techs, nothing). I still wonder what if I had.

I believe being a top 3 you need both luck and a very nice gameplay.

 

[Everkane]

I've just finish my very best Diplo game ever.

I believe I'm learning.

Map setup:

.Emperor
.Standard - Pangea - 60% water
.Wet - Warm - 5 billion

Civ: Greeks

Finish: 700 AD

I could make it #4 but I lose by score for the another 700 AD one.

The final screenshot:

Spoiler :

Highlights:

.SGL for Pyramids, I'm not quite sure but I believe it was with Currency.

.Ottomans gave me a really hard time attacking me for no reason at all with tons of warriors at the very beginning (around 2000BC), but they didn't attack the Hoplites, still they kept destroying my improvements. I didn't even have strenght to attack so I wait till the war is gone. Then they went for peace and gave me 2 of their cities .Nonsense.

.AA to MA - Chivalry as free tech. Not a very good start, but that's ok. I didn't upgrade the Ottomans so they would still be on AA.

.Ripped Ottomans for expansion since they were still on AA. I had no Iron then I went with Longbowmen . Really nice those guys.

.In this war I triggered GA since they finally attacked a Hoplite. It was in the 2/3 of MA. The research was already in 4 turns so I wasted this bonus, but I could build important things a way faster so it was ok. I've left them alone for tech farming purposes with only their capital.

.Expanded till 35 cities since it was the minimum to get Palace 1000 shields like Spoonwood pointed.

.MA to IA - Eletricity as free tech. Very nice one. With sci specs and my ring around Cope's my research was 4 turns even without the GA.

.No war in the IA, just workers finishing the job to get luxuries since the AI doesn't care to make a single road to connect to other civ. I've lost some turns in the beginning of MA since I couldn't get 100% sicence because of this.

.It took me some time to railroad because I had no Coal, when I got Coal from Russians I had no Iron. In an island far away I could found a city and finally have it.

.Prebuilt the Palace and made myself sure it would finish in the exact moment I've got Fission.

.IA to MDT - Nothing really important, just usual business to get Fission. Changed Palace to UN and this is it, got elected at the same turn I've reached MDT.


I know I've written a lot now but that's the whole point of the topic, right?

Maybe someone is experiencing problems in Diplo games and I believe there is lots of good tips here.

Besided I was trying so hard to get a nice finish with Sumerians and I've got with... the Greeks! Actually I believe it fits better my gameplay since in Monarch I had my best experience with them also (although I wasn't aware of 99% of the things I've learnt here).

This is it for now.

 

[iPwn]

I am sure with all that bonus food and free granaries growth was not a big problem. And this is why I don`t know if I like Sumeria at all, they are nice if you don`t have Pyramids, but what if you do? One question - standart emperor has a pretty good finish date, why are you trying to beat that instead of finding easier size+difficulty? For example, huge chieftain does not have an impressive result for 1st place.

 

[Everkane]

I am sure with all that bonus food and free granaries growth was not a big problem. And this is why I don`t know if I like Sumeria at all, they are nice if you don`t have Pyramids, but what if you do? One question - standart emperor has a pretty good finish date, why are you trying to beat that instead of finding easier size+difficulty? For example, huge chieftain does not have an impressive result for 1st place.

I like this map setup, although I think it's kinda boring indeed. Maybe I'll play a few Diplo games at Demigod.

But probably my next HoF attempt will be a 20k game since I need to learn how to maximize it (just like I did with Diplo in this topic).

For sure I'm gonna need some tips after 2 or 3 lousy games