Extended Europe - 22 Civs TSL

luko18 · Jul 25, 2013

It would be great if someone does a video playtrhough of their game with this map.

In my current one as UK, Germany is #1, but French are still sitting with 1 city, and not doing anything.

Greece took our Constantinople early on. (dont tell anyone but I am planning to have it later.)

Spain is weak, but Portugal has 4 cities, and controls access from northern lands into Mediterranean.

Rome took our Venice quickly, and Assiria lost their capital around 100 AD.

Poland founded Catholicism

Barbarians are crazy, but still wish there were Celts to conquer

once again, amazing map.

jadel · Jul 26, 2013

PDMX said:
@luko18
Thank you for the comments. I am glad you like it.

The problem is, as soon as one Civ gets removed, there is somebody out there, who really liked to play with it. In the 15 Civ version I made some really hard decisions, one of them where England, Spain and the Netherlands, who lost in favor of Assyria, Portugal, Poland, etc. So basically for the new BNW civs. Also Venice, Sweden, Ottomans, Byzantium, are all out in the smaller version... I think the best solution then is to play with the 22 Civ version, because I will never be able to satisfy everybody, unless I find a way for you to select your desired Civs in the settings.

I would also like england but I agree there will always be dissention. Although Assyria certainly isnt anywhere in my top 30 civs I want to try lol.

Perhaps you can talk to this guy...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=397387

Thats a fabulous mod that would solve everyones problems. I have no idea whats involved in getting it synced up though.

luko18 · Jul 26, 2013

What we really need to do is buy PDMX a cup of coffee, so he can make one with England and Celts!!

Capuchino? of just regular?

PDMX · Jul 26, 2013

I was about to do partial maps, to include all civilizations for each region. I think a partial map of north western Europe will do the job. I have the following partial maps in mind:

North western Europe:

Celts
England
France
Netherlands
Germany
Poland
Denmark
Sweden
(Austria)
(Huns)

South Eastern ancient Europe:
(including a scenario, which I am currently working at)

Rome
Carthage
Greece
Byzantium
Persia
Assyria
Babylon
Egypt
Arabia
(Ottomans)

Mediterranean:
(everything south of the alps)

Rome
Carthage
Greece
Byzantium
Persia
Assyria
Babylon
Egypt
Arabia
+
Portugal
Spain
Morocco
Songhai
Ottomans
Venice

PS: Actually its me who likes Assyria. ;-)

luko18 · Jul 26, 2013

WOW would love that!!!! Is there any way to include Russia in northern Europe? After Peter the great they had pretty good access to the Baltic. Plus, Novgorod was a major trading hub fueled by Vikings.

Will it be on huge map or something smaller? As much as I love this mod, in middle ages every turn takes 3 minutes to process!!! Maybe there is a way to just cut the lower portion of it, for the northern Version!!!

If you create it like that!! I will ship you a cup of coffee..

PDMX · Jul 26, 2013

It will be smaller and I will include Russia at Sankt Petersburg as starting location, also Austria and Venice will get in, but not the Huns, because they are an ancient civ. I want to create a North Western Europe with only medieval civilizations, while the southern versions will cover mostly the ancient ones. Probably a medieval/industrial scenario will also be a good extension, when I finished the ancient one. Imagine Paris starting with Louvre and Notre Dame and England starting with Bigben. Thats incredible potential for a scenario.

North Western Europe will be: 63x46, 12 Civ, 16 CS
South Eastern Europe will be: 64x42, 10 Civ, 16 CS
Full Mediterranean will be: 92x42, 16 Civ, 24 CS

I have just shaped the base maps and civilizations/CS's, but I must adjust the luxury amounts and placements, as well as some strategic resources. (Russia would suck without oil or Uranium). This will still take some time.

luko18 · Jul 26, 2013

Great Idea about St Peterburg!!! It was a great commercial hub. Even without the Huns, Catherine will have enough pressure from Sweeden and Poland. And with enough water in the baltic, English Navy can still dominate!! Hopefully enough city states to trade with and if possible a natural wonder or 2.

I will be waiting for this map!!

PDMX · Jul 26, 2013

I know there is a serious lack of natural wonders in Northern Europe. I think I will use Mount Kailash +6 :c5faith:

+2

as the Matterhorn, which will result in another redo of the alps.

gunnergoz · Jul 26, 2013

I've enjoyed putting Kilimanjaro in for Mt Blanc in the Alps (Europe trains its mountain soldiers there, right?) and next door putting Lake Victoria next to Geneva to give it incentive to become more like Switzerland later on. I also move Krakatoa to a hex between Sicily and Italy as a substitute for the volcano Stromboli, leaving the Great Barrier Reef tiles down near Crete to represent Santorini. Finally I move Mt Fuji to an area south of Rome to represent Vesuvius; it perks up the Romans nicely in the early game. Worldbuilder is a lot of fun to mess with if you really want to play games that are uniquely your own.

Alej54 · Jul 26, 2013

PDMX said:
I was about to do partial maps, to include all civilizations for each region. I think a partial map of north western Europe will do the job. I have the following partial maps in mind:

North western Europe:

Celts
England
France
Netherlands
Germany
Poland
Denmark
Sweden
(Austria)
(Huns)

South Eastern ancient Europe:
(including a scenario, which I am currently working at)

Rome
Carthage
Greece
Byzantium
Persia
Assyria
Babylon
Egypt
Arabia
(Ottomans)

Mediterranean:
(everything south of the alps)

Rome
Carthage
Greece
Byzantium
Persia
Assyria
Babylon
Egypt
Arabia
+
Portugal
Spain
Morocco
Songhai
Ottomans
Venice

PS: Actually its me who likes Assyria. ;-)

This is an excellent idea. I think i'll do a Baltic Sea TSL map soon too. Don't make it too perfect, pretty please... i already feel the pressure!

PDMX · Jul 26, 2013

gunnergoz said:
I've enjoyed putting Kilimanjaro in for Mt Blanc in the Alps (Europe trains its mountain soldiers there, right?) and next door putting Lake Victoria next to Geneva to give it incentive to become more like Switzerland later on. I also move Krakatoa to a hex between Sicily and Italy as a substitute for the volcano Stromboli, leaving the Great Barrier Reef tiles down near Crete to represent Santorini. Finally I move Mt Fuji to an area south of Rome to represent Vesuvius; it perks up the Romans nicely in the early game. Worldbuilder is a lot of fun to mess with if you really want to play games that are uniquely your own.

Lets see what happens... I already have my own ideas right now, some of them do actually match yours, but not all. I would rather use Kilimansharo as Ätna, Vesuv, or as an Iceland Volcano.

jadel · Jul 28, 2013

Theres something weird about BNW. Or perhaps a combination of BNW and a large map with not many civs.

Playing on the new 15 civ map as portugal. Im at ~1600 a.d now and there hasnt been a single war anywhere. Everyone is just plodding along killing the odd barbarian swarm now and then.

...

I guess its not possible to actually rename the C.S? I found it quite odd stumbling across sydney and some of the others. I like how you changed the cities to actual TSL style names though.

Thanks again for the map, it really is nice. Hopefully it can get added to yet (not) another earth map pack soon.

PDMX · Jul 28, 2013

jadel said:
Theres something weird about BNW. Or perhaps a combination of BNW and a large map with not many civs.

Playing on the new 15 civ map as portugal. Im at ~1600 a.d now and there hasnt been a single war anywhere. Everyone is just plodding along killing the odd barbarian swarm now and then.

...

I guess its not possible to actually rename the C.S? I found it quite odd stumbling across sydney and some of the others. I like how you changed the cities to actual TSL style names though.

Thanks again for the map, it really is nice. Hopefully it can get added to yet (not) another earth map pack soon.

The City states can be modded, but at the moment I am only using world builder. Sadly the renaming does not work as intended in the World Builder obviously. But its only the messages and the diplo screen, where it is wrong.

How do you know there isnt a wear going on? The Mondols usually beat up some City states and Assyria should be wiped out by Persia quite regularly. Have you met all the civs? But the AI being less agressive is obviously a failure in BNW...

I must admit though that playing G&K especially on this map was more fun. Dido and Rome, were really beating the hell out of each other... Like some real punic wars between the AI, later on they were conquering Gaul, etc... That was fun. While Persia, Mongols and Russia usually became real superpowers. I hope there will be a patch coming soon. Otherwise we will probably have to play on Diety to experience some aggression... Or mod the aggression back into the game.

luko18 · Jul 28, 2013

With smaller maps, civs are closer to each other, creating border tension. Even with higher difficulties AI now focuses on building, and by the time borders are filled, its late 17th century.
Especially true in Africa.

PDMX · Jul 28, 2013

luko18 said:
With smaller maps, civs are closer to each other, creating border tension. Even with higher difficulties AI now focuses on building, and by the time borders are filled, its late 17th century.
Especially true in Africa.

I recommend to use the full map. I have not played the version with fewer civs myself, it was just a request. My experiences are always from the full versions. My playstyle is also very agressive, so there are a lot of civs who are getting angry at me. I had once wiped out Assyria and Babylon as Persia, and also took two City states. That made Greece, Ottomans and Arabia forming an alliance against me. It was not really fun, because they were partly ahead in science... So aggression is there... even in BNW. If there is no war, you should start a war yourself and atleast eradicate spain, if you are Portugal.

As for Africa... yes the Songhai must be in to create some tension... That will be the case in in the regional Mediterranean map. I will probably release the three regional maps in a couple of hours, I will now check everything ingame and recount the resources for the last time...

PDMX · Jul 28, 2013

Its done! all three regional maps are now available as download!
(They are all BNW only)

North Western Europe (The old World)

Spoiler :

South Eastern Europe (The Ancient World)

Spoiler :

Mediterranean Region

Spoiler :

First post is updated now. The complete maps have also been updated to version 8, mostly because of the natural wonder changes and a few reshapings in the Middle East.

jadel · Jul 29, 2013

PDMX said:
I recommend to use the full map. I have not played the version with fewer civs myself, it was just a request. My experiences are always from the full versions. My playstyle is also very agressive, so there are a lot of civs who are getting angry at me. I had once wiped out Assyria and Babylon as Persia, and also took two City states. That made Greece, Ottomans and Arabia forming an alliance against me. It was not really fun, because they were partly ahead in science... So aggression is there... even in BNW. If there is no war, you should start a war yourself and atleast eradicate spain, if you are Portugal.

As for Africa... yes the Songhai must be in to create some tension... That will be the case in in the regional Mediterranean map. I will probably release the three regional maps in a couple of hours, I will now check everything ingame and recount the resources for the last time...

Sadly Spain does not exist! Haha.

Makes sense that its the ample space preventing much happening. Its even quite realistic so I cant complain. Ill try one of the new ones today. They are smaller overall?

PDMX · Jul 29, 2013

jadel said:
Sadly Spain does not exist! Haha.

Makes sense that its the ample space preventing much happening. Its even quite realistic so I cant complain. Ill try one of the new ones today. They are smaller overall?

The full maps are still the same size as before, the regional ones are a lot smaller, because its only a part of the big map of course. But there are more Civs in the regional ones, because I had no limitations and could add any civ now. I think especially the North West and South East regional maps are already crowded.

The southeastern map is my favorite one.

jadel · Jul 29, 2013

Yeah thanks, thats what I meant the regional maps being smaller.

Should make things interesting lol.

luko18 · Jul 29, 2013

So much fun trying out this map!!! Thank you!

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