F4F Wildcat

It's not a "win" or "lose" situation for me. I just don't want people to get the wrong idea about me, especially since I am partly known for making WWII mods. That's not good press. If I seem overly reactionary for that, then I do apologize.
 
Actually it's called "Legionnaire" if you want to be accurate, and that's what it is in my mod.

As for annoying remarks, I never once insinuated the war lasted longer then September 2nd 1945, but you kept trying to justify that the Midway was somehow commissioned during the war... it wasn't. Maybe if you'd stop trying so hard to prove a false point, you wouldn't find the truth so annoying.

Frankly I found trying to prove the Midway was commissioned during the war annoying.
 
Actually it's called "Legionnaire" if you want to be accurate, and that's what it is in my mod.

As for annoying remarks, I never once insinuated the war lasted longer then September 2nd 1945, but you kept trying to justify that the Midway was somehow commissioned during the war... it wasn't. Maybe if you'd stop trying so hard to prove a false point, you wouldn't find the truth so annoying.

In academic circles (American, at least) you will often find it called Legionary or even Miles. Legionnaire is better than Praetorian, I suppose, though it sounds more like a reference to the Foreign Legion.

Hmm... I don't seem to recall ever saying the Midway was commissioned before the Japanese surrender. In fact, I don't recall doing anything except including it in a list of WWII-era vessels, such as the Enterprise or Hornet.

If Wikipedia is reliable in this case...

USS Midway (CVB/CVA/CV-41) was an aircraft carrier of the United States Navy, the lead ship of her class, and the first to be commissioned after the end of World War II.

Ordered:1 August 1942
Laid down:27 October 1943
Launched:20 March 1945
Commissioned:10 September 1945
Decommissioned:11 April 1992

That sounds like an appropriate late WWII-era carrier to me. :)
 
I don't argue any of those dates... but you've got some explaining to do...

If the point of wanting the USS Midway model as a WWII carrier in Civ4... exactly how many "WWII Scenarios" take place after 10 September 1945 when the carrier actually entered operational status?

Or did you want to use a model of the carrier's keel as it was in 1943 during the war?

If you say you want it for hypothetical scenarios after the war actually ended, that's one thing, but you keep acting like it's a carrier that saw action in WWII... it wasn't, and it didn't. The Midway (in reality) is a post-war carrier... it never fired a shot or launched a plane in anger during WWII.
 
Guys, guys guys, what did I start..

Wolfshaze, it a scenario does not end per se at the exact date in real life, (Ie Japan is winning) then it might have come into service. Same thing with the Centurion tank..
 
Exactly - just imagine Germans bombing Washinghton With Ho-XVIII - technically possible, but with the situation in 1945 impossible to reach. The mod should have differen variants of game, also this hypothetical or even impossible.

Very nice unit :) And much needed for WW2 Era
 
I don't argue any of those dates... but you've got some explaining to do...

If the point of wanting the USS Midway model as a WWII carrier in Civ4... exactly how many "WWII Scenarios" take place after 10 September 1945 when the carrier actually entered operational status?

Or did you want to use a model of the carrier's keel as it was in 1943 during the war?

If you say you want it for hypothetical scenarios after the war actually ended, that's one thing, but you keep acting like it's a carrier that saw action in WWII... it wasn't, and it didn't. The Midway (in reality) is a post-war carrier... it never fired a shot or launched a plane in anger during WWII.

Likewise, as you also said, I do not dispute any of those points. The carrier never saw action because it was not needed. At the time it was put into production, however, it was done with the idea that it would be needed, presumably being involved in an invasion of mainland Japan and whatnot.

You ask how many mods take place after 10 September 1945. WW2 1939. Hearts of Iron. Making History. Even good old WWII in the Pacific from Civilization III. All of the events, however, that occur during what was actually the post-war period are alternative histories, so I can understand your desire to keep them separate. Nonetheless, that is hard to do in Civ.

In the real world, it was a post-war carrier in terms of service. But let's not forget that it was built with the technology of WW2, because of WW2, during WW2, and ostensibly to end WW2. I think asioasioasio said it best so I won't go into a long tirade about alternative paths. However, let me ask this: Would you also characterize the Graf Zeppelin as not being a WW2 carrier, because it was never finished? Would you say the Kikka should not be in a mod because it was only tested in August of 1945? This is one of those gray areas of history that are so often the causes of disputes such as these. :) Nonetheless, I am content to hold to my postition that the Midway was a WW2-era carrier, despite the fact that it was never used. Thank the atomic bomb for that.
 
The Wildcat and the P-40 and were the most important american fighter aircraft- the later "better" fighters came when the war was won. Both were produced til the end of the War and both served with many countries.
I would mod either as the default american fighter.
 
The Wildcat and the P-40 and were the most important american fighter aircraft- the later "better" fighters came when the war was won. Both were produced til the end of the War and both served with many countries.
I would mod either as the default american fighter.
That's a pretty bold statement... I wouldn't call the war "already won" when the P-47, P-51 and F6F entered service.
 
At Midway, Coral Sea , the fight in China- Wildcats and P-40's.

In Europe there were some Wildcats in the 804 during the Battle of Britain, and P-40's were at Stalingrad.

In the mediterranean P-40-s reportedly did well against the BF 110 -

The P-47 P-51, F6F merely mopped up and got the credit and kills-
Wildcat and P-40 pilots killed the enemy cream-of-the-crop pilots.
 
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Heck-no!!!
 
Say again? ;)
Exactly...

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