FA Discussion: Shall We Join Alliances Against Germany?

[Donovan Zoi]

OK, this thread has pretty much died out, so tonight I will post a poll. It will be a multi-choice poll with the following options.

Would you sign alliances with France and Rome against Germany:

1. This turn, based on current intelligence
2. Next turn if France advances on Augean Stables
3. Never. We do not need this alliance now.
4. Abstain

I am making this poll multi-choice to see if opinions will change to the "pro" side if Augean Stables is threatened next turn. If you have any problem with the poll format, please post it here.

There will not be an option to ally singularly with Rome or France. It is either all or nothing. Also, let me know if this poll would trespass on the FA's right to conduct a war poll. However, I really do feel that this should be polled first before we have Icmancin go through all that trouble.

 

[Nobody]

This poll is the same as a declartion of war and it needs to go through the same steps as one (FA makes a poll house and senate vote yes on it)

 

[Civlord]

Yes, DZ. The senate has to vote it.

 

[Furiey]

Alliances are also within FA's jurisdiction, and as we are not yet at war with Germany we can't form the alliances and not declare war so the question actually is:

"Do we form alliances with France and Rome and declare war against Germany"​

We also need something other than this turn, next turn, never, as there is no later option. The text with the never also contradicts that it actually means never, but rather means maybe later. So which is it? Would voting never here mean we could never declare war on Germany? People may want to wait until we have a few more troops to actually fight with before declaring.

FA needs to run this poll for it to be official. The Assembly can vote on the war bit and declare seperately if they wish, but they can't do the alliances to go with it.

 

[Provolution]

I want three options DZ, respect these.

The Alliance 10 turns, 15 turns and 20 turns from now.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

I want three options DZ, respect these.

The Alliance 10 turns, 15 turns and 20 turns from now.

Looks like it is out of my hands for now. If Minister Icmancin does not post a poll by later roday, then I may have to do so.

However, my preferred options would be: this turn, next turn (if advanced upon) or No (meaning we vote on it later).

10, 15, 20 is far too close together to be distinguishable, but I appreciate your input.

 

[DaveShack]

For President Zoi, or Minister Icmancin: To make the poll accurate you should state it in terms of "do we want an alliance now" or include a "no,not now" answer.

Provoluion: you're always looking for a definite point in the future on these "not now" kind of polls, like you want to trick us into not being able to say no.

about the tricking us part.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

For President Zoi, or Minister Icmancin: To make the poll accurate you should state it in terms of "do we want an alliance now" or include a "no,not now" answer.

Provoluion: you're always looking for a definite point in the future on these "not now" kind of polls, like you want to trick us into not being able to say no.

about the tricking us part.

That's where it gets interesting. Because to be honest, I would vote "no" now (at the present time) since France is still outside our borders. However, I would change my vote to "Yes" to war against Germany if France were to advance on Augean Stables next turn.

The whole reason this idea was proposed was to pre-empt a possible war with France. And since not many seem to agree with the intent of this proposal, perhaps it should just die on the Assembly floor.

We are making this far too complicated than it needs to be. Based on the response in this thread, I could have posted an informational poll on this matter, been likely voted down by now, and we could have moved on to better things.

If people vote "Yes" to a war with Germany without signing on to the alliances, then we are in trouble. A simple vote on the war alone will not do.

 

[DaveShack]

My previous post might have been a little unclear. Option 2 in the proposed poll is OK, I was responding to option 3 by saying "never" is probably a bad word to use.

If we haven't decided whether to have an alliance or not before the play session, I recommend someone (FA or President probably) should put an order in the turnchat to stop if the French unit enters our territory. If there is a decision one way or the other on the alliance, then follow it.