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[orangelex44]

I'm not. If I were in LDi's position, I'd try to do the same thing... he's dead anyway, why not try it? Of course, I'm an agent of Chaos to begin with, so...

 

[Seon]

wait, there's contact between continent's now?

 

[Tyrs]

Through me, yes.

 

[hbar]

Seriously, I do think that you guys over there have created the problem for your own selves, and furthermore, you've been rather uncreative in trying to fix it. You all assumed the ritual was the best and only way to fix the issue, which I don't think is so. No one's made a great effort at trying to use other methods, with the exception of LDi (who's not even a nation). I mean, I thought about it for like five minutes and came up with a good half-dozen alternative ideas, and a bunch of them don't even involve anything to do with my own special relationship with Death. Like I said before, I'm willing to come in as a consultant...

I'm certain you are more creative than me, but do keep in mind the scale of the problem. When the walking dead were confined to one province, they were confirmed to have over 11 divisions of zombies. Since then, they have sacked two fairly large cities, killed at least three divisions of troops, and turned the local wildlife as well. That would (by my count) put them well over 20,000 and counting. They also reinforce their numbers with every kill and turn the local wildlife too (seriously? bunnies?).

No one has (until possibly this turn) even a single adept-class caster, no one has any type of priest units, and everyone's gold is going purely to staying alive.

 

[Seon]

20,000 ?! By the way, didn't Bannor use life magic to deal with the zombies in their administration tower? I guess that wouldn't work now as there are more then 20,000 of them, and counting. I actually estimate that there would be more then 30,000, if you count the bugs, the rats, the birds, and small creatures

Edit: You guys really are gonna get screwed unless you get creative!

 

[hbar]

The Bannor fought 200 zombies in the black tower, were reinforced by the Shield of Kylorin (minor life magics), had the Patrian Spear, and lost at least twice as many troops. These things will not be beaten by melee units (unless you're Kappa )

 

[Ekolite]

We are getting creative. We're just keeping our ideas quiet so no one can come in and sabotage them.

 

[orangelex44]

Some have died from your first attempt, though. Also, even if they still have a dozen units wandering around, they're quite scattered - so while you're probably outnumbered strategically, tactically that may not be the case.

Plus, I think that while melee combat may not be the final strategy, I do think that you'll have to come up with a halfway-decent way of utilizing it. At the very least, you'll have to hold on to cities, and to do that will likely require some kind of hand-to-hand combat. If you want to actively move - say, toward the Tomb - you'll definitely need to be able to do it.

What you need to do is identify the weaknesses they have, the strengths you have, and how you can match the two together.

EDIT: and who's left to sabotage them? Tuan's dead, the rest of Edsunland is screwed, and the other continental/island people don't care.

 

[Seon]

Ok, lets make a compendium of possilbe anti-zombie solutions

-Make a expensive ritual to get rid of zombies (failed)
-Firebows, aim for the head (not tried)
-try to enchant the dead zombies with the spirits of the owners of the bodies (not tried Edit: Tried and failed, although I must have missed that part)
-Pray to Junil, Sirona, and Succellus (Kind of)
-Lure them into the forests and set fire on it (not tried)
-Lure them into a valley and pile rocks on them/spray them with arrows (not tried)
-Hire shotgun nuns (not tried)
-Bring back spirits of Sabel, Labyrinth, or other anti-evil hippies

Edit: oops, sorry eko

 

[LDiCesare]

Honest to God I am amazed that anyone was stupid enough to attack the Ritual >.<

Well, it made a lot fo sense for Tuan to act that way. His goal was to kill all the Hippus, Amurites and Bannor, and that was the easiest way to achieve it. I didn't expect him to succeed.

Here are extracts of my initial message to Immac:

I have an idea that might upset some players... but then...
(...)
Please note I expect him to be killed by the players after a few updates.
(...)
From there on, Tuan the undead will try to retrieve the Patrian spear and to kill all of Caswa's line and generally try to get revenge from Amurites, Hippus nad Bannor. He's likely to return the spear to the Grigori, but that's not sure.
Tuan is a bit demented. He's been shocked beyond belief by the allies' treason, and was heavily wounded in addition. He became monomaniac with vengeance in mind, and learning dark arts didn't make things better. Somewhere in his deranged mind, h eknows he can't destroy three nations by himself, but he will try. He knows he will lose, but will try to do as much harm as possible in the meantime.

/STORY
This character may be a bit extreme. He's also somewhat secretive, or at least has been so for fifty years or more. He's definitely anti amurite, which may be a balance issue, but he will also strike at Hippus and Bannor indiscriminately.(...)

So, it makes sense. Now could you guess it? I think you could. Tuan had been sighted in Amurite lands when the Spear vanished, so it should have been obvious he had stolen it after a few updates, when he finally became known. Zombies appeared in Hippus lands BEFORE the hungry dead should have arrived there, when the Ir-O-Kee were not yet destroyed. The update didn't say it was the zombie infection, but that it might. I don't know whether scouting would have revealed that those killed by zombies were different from the other undead, but Hippus bent on defending their lands rather than getting rid of the Clan would have found out about Tuan's evil intents earlier. Also, all of you knew I had two zombie units in the middle of the continent. I had been talking about how vile the Bannor were everytime I spoke, so you might have thought that I would either try to defend these zombies or use them to attack someone. Only the Hippus seemed to have prepared some defense. Had I turned upon the Bannor, the result would have been worse for them than what happened. Charles also didn't send orders in time on previous turn. Immac may have been harsh with him, but it didn't help, and he had been generally quite passive.
Now from an OOC point of view, it's very hard on Edsunland nations. But IC, do you imagine what it could have been if my character had had one more turn? You're rather lucky that I wanted him dead this turn.

As for what to do now, I think there's noone left to ruin the ritual again. Amurites might have adepts now. Sea travel should definitely let you use the Tomb, and decoys can probably clear the way for you to go there. They'll probably die, but if you reach the Tombn you can certainly perform the ritual.
There's also the question of what caused the infection and if there's a way to get rid of it.
Keeping the hungry dead at bay should be possible for the Bannor what with mountains, and those guys are totally dumb, so you can lead them where you want. The hard part is to kill them, but flaming arrows and traps can do it.
Regarding the list of possibilities:

-try to enchant the dead zombies with the spirits of the owners of the bodies (not tried)

Tried. Failed.

 

[hbar]

Ok, lets make a compendium of possilbe anti-zombie solutions

-Make a expensive ritual to get rid of zombies (failed)

and how

-Firebows, aim for the head (not tried)

no one has archery yet

-try to enchant the dead zombies with the spirits of the owners of the bodies (not tried)

no one has spirit mana yet (this was brought up to Immac)

-Pray to Junil, Sirona, and Succellus (Kind of)

tried that, but without the mana or the techs, nothing really happened. Also, I would bet that the starving scholars at the tomb were praying pretty damn fervently, and they still starved.

-Lure them into the forests and set fire on it (not tried)

See: Update 15, The Demise of the Ir-O-Kee and Update 14, The defense of Grigori lands

-Lure them into a valley and pile rocks on them/spray them with arrows (not tried)

Need a lot of rocks, and no one has arrows yet (not to mention they are impervious to harm except to the brain, and archers don't have that stopping power

-Hire shotgun nuns (not tried)

you may be on to something here...

-Bring back spirits of Sabel, Labyrinth, or other anti-evil hippies

Eko got pretty mad when thomas.b brought back Sabel instead of her (his?) lackeys...

So, most of what is up here has been thought of and either tried or inquired about. Still, there are many more ways to skin a zombie. The next update should be interesting.

 

[Seon]

Use torches instead of sword then.
Does Javeling throwing work?
final solution. Turn into zombies and eat each other

 

[Ekolite]

Guys, we are handling it.

 

[hbar]

Yeah, and we were all handling it last turn, and the turn before...
I think I'll take my contingency plan over your vague promises.

 

[LDiCesare]

Guys, we are handling it.

I hope you do, I'm feeling bad for you.

 

[Ekolite]

Hbar, contact me with your plans, we may be able to help each other.

 

[hbar]

I doubt your god would like my plan.

 

[merciary]

I doubt many are too thrilled with his plan either.

 

[Ekolite]

My God would want us to do whatever we must do to save ourselves.

 

[Seon]

Your god would point at his law books and say that you are wrong