formal war bug?

[pietro1990]

Ok i experienced some weird behavior from the AI.

SO in my recent game as Catherine of France i liberated ghandi from Montezuma . I attacked montezuma because he attacked my city state because ghandi city was close by i thought lets liberate him


After liberating him ghandi is pretty happy with me and wants to ask for a declaration of friendship. I decline because he is weak







right after ghandi askes for a declaration of friendship and i decline him i get a pop up of a formal war. I guess Poland decides to make a joint war but with who does she partner up ?



You never guess it !! GHANDI





it seems the Ai doesn't take into account your relationship with them when deciding to join a formal war(joint war). Same goes for poland in this example she was friendly but she still declared war.

This really need to be patched Those formal war bug in wich the Ai just agrees withouth taking into account youre relationship or military strength.
Ghandi has ZERO UNITS but declares war on me (joint war) when I have infantry and artillery.

I've uplouded the file so you can replay the game yourself its one turn from the event.. You do need the mod madjinn tech tree mod

 

[WillowBrook]

Yes, the AI joint war behavior can be really immersion-breaking. The two AI seem to only consider the value of the war with respect to each other, and not the relationship with the target.

I suspect it is poor design and not a simple bug, or it would have been patched by now. I hope they will make it more sensible soon, but I would bet we'll have to wait for an expansion that focuses on diplomacy.

 

[pietro1990]

Yes, the AI joint war behavior can be really immersion-breaking. The two AI seem to only consider the value of the war with respect to each other, and not the relationship with the target.

I suspect it is poor design and not a simple bug, or it would have been patched by now. I hope they will make it more sensible soon, but I would bet we'll have to wait for an expansion that focuses on diplomacy.

Yes i remember this was noticeable at the pre release version of the game. You would thinx they patched it by now but they didn't.

 

[skodkim]

Well I once had a civ declare war on me and after a few turns it turned out he had been joined by my long time friend, Gilgamesh.

Thing was that Gilgamesh was my declared friend, I had no notification of him declaring war on me and worst of all I had no option of making peace with him since apparently we weren't really at war...That was game breaking!

\Skodkim

 

[Victoria]

you can be friendly with a civ and still joint war against it, you can even joint war with a civ that is friendly with the target but it will cost you most probably.
You declined their advances and then probably one of your enemies paid them for a joint war.... I really see no issue with this behaviour, it's called diplomacy and poor Ghandi wanted the cash.

 

[pietro1990]

you can be friendly with a civ and still joint war against it, you can even joint war with a civ that is friendly with the target but it will cost you most probably.
You declined their advances and then probably one of your enemies paid them for a joint war.... I really see no issue with this behaviour, it's called diplomacy and poor Ghandi wanted the cash.

He should take in to account military strenght. He has no units

 

[Rosty K]

you can be friendly with a civ and still joint war against it, you can even joint war with a civ that is friendly with the target but it will cost you most probably.
You declined their advances and then probably one of your enemies paid them for a joint war.... I really see no issue with this behaviour, it's called diplomacy and poor Ghandi wanted the cash.

There's a real bug though when your declared friend/ally can get into a joint war against you, and it triggers in the same circumstances (when friendship renewal and joint war proposal come on the same turn), so OP would most likely end up at war vs Gandhi even if the friendship proposal was accepted.

 

[Victoria]

Yup fair enough but once fixed the situation above could still occur and in my view quite rightly.

 

[c4c6]

My narrative would be: Gandhi was thankful, but even more wanted (because needed) a STRONG Friend (as protector), but France declined. So he sought further, found Poland (too far away to be really helpful though), which demands joint war as prerequisite for friendship ...

Nevertheless at all times the statuses between the civs have to be consistent.

 

[pietro1990]

My narrative would be: Gandhi was thankful, but even more wanted (because needed) a STRONG Friend (as protector), but France declined. So he sought further, found Poland (too far away to be really helpful though), which demands joint war as prerequisite for friendship ...

Nevertheless at all times the statuses between the civs have to be consistent.

If i accept the decleration of friendship poland still declares a formal war. and i am only at war with her so i know its ghandi.