Shqype
Shqyptar
That's one way to admit defeat ...
Former Yugoslav Republics Mod (request)
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No it's a way of saying I've seen tens of discussions on forums, where one side quotes some sources, and the other group says those are incorrect, and quotes others... and on and on and on that goes.....
Like a stubborn mule you push on thinking I'll start quoting history books, and sending you links. By doing that, I'll just provoke you to go and find more anti-macedonian propaganda.
Do you think that I believe I can change anything in your indoctrinated head?
Actualy, I thought I could - by reaching out to your reason and logic, but I guess you are already beyond that place.
No Shype, saying "You tire me" that's one way of saying you bore me to tears- that's all. Get a life man.
Like a stubborn mule you push on thinking I'll start quoting history books, and sending you links. By doing that, I'll just provoke you to go and find more anti-macedonian propaganda.
Do you think that I believe I can change anything in your indoctrinated head?
Actualy, I thought I could - by reaching out to your reason and logic, but I guess you are already beyond that place.
No Shype, saying "You tire me" that's one way of saying you bore me to tears- that's all. Get a life man.
Shqype
Shqyptar
Sources that prove that Slavic Macedonians of today are NOT Ancient Macedonians of a time before the Slavs even came into the Balkans constitutes "anti-Macedonian propaganda?" Get real man.
The thing is though that you're the only one that is indoctrinated. I never had anyone tell me anything about Macedonians until I started reading about them and asking questions for myself: different than you, as a Slav living in Macedonia, taught myths by your state. That to me is indoctrination, and being taught something despite the facts dictating otherwise.
I am a reasonable and logical man, but the things that some Slavic Macedonians claim are far from reasonable and logical.
Plus, dedokole, my username is Shqype. Don't "pull a Serb" and start omitting the "q" as a derogatory term. Get a life man.
The thing is though that you're the only one that is indoctrinated. I never had anyone tell me anything about Macedonians until I started reading about them and asking questions for myself: different than you, as a Slav living in Macedonia, taught myths by your state. That to me is indoctrination, and being taught something despite the facts dictating otherwise.
I am a reasonable and logical man, but the things that some Slavic Macedonians claim are far from reasonable and logical.
Plus, dedokole, my username is Shqype. Don't "pull a Serb" and start omitting the "q" as a derogatory term. Get a life man.
Yeah, "Shype" was a typing error. Sorry.
Anyway, in your last two posts I realize you've become more rational:
Macedonians, Bulgarians and Serbs - very nice; three SEPARATE nations.
Also true. I've never denied my slavic heritage.
And you've even started using my expressions
Maybe there's still hope for you?
Anyway, in your last two posts I realize you've become more rational:
Macedonians, Bulgarians and Serbs - very nice; three SEPARATE nations.
Also true. I've never denied my slavic heritage.
And you've even started using my expressions
Maybe there's still hope for you?
Huayna Capac357
Deity
This is a request for a Yugoslavia mod, not a Macedonia argument. Give this poor poster some directions, etc. and not boring, long, unreadable, pointless, wasteful arguments.
Shqype
Shqyptar
They all have their distinct identities, which I never denied. But the Serbs and Bulgarians are more different than the Macedonians and Bulgarians. And I was telling you that everything I've come across has indicated a common ancestry, aside from all 3 both belonging to the same Slavic ethnic group.
Not you, but plenty of Macedonians have. Even the one that posted earlier, Vucjak, did so. That's clearly untrue.
And you've even started using my expressions
I purposely used your own words against you. "Get a life" can be pretty childish to use ... just giving you a taste of your own medicine.
Huayna Capac357
Deity
They all have their distinct identities, which I never denied. But the Serbs and Bulgarians are more different than the Macedonians and Bulgarians. And I was telling you that everything I've come across has indicated a common ancestry, aside from all 3 both belonging to the same Slavic ethnic group.
Not you, but plenty of Macedonians have. Even the one that posted earlier, Vucjak, did so. That's clearly untrue.
I purposely used your own words against you. "Get a life" can be pretty childish to use ... just giving you a taste of your own medicine.
OK. Seriously. STOP!!!!!!!!!!
Shqype
Shqyptar
As you can see Yugoslavia was one dysfunctional "family." 
It's not important what I, you or anyone will say, but it's important what the facts are saying.
As I said before, and it's based on scientific facts, not somebody's understanding of the history, the genetic code of the Macedonians is unique, unlike the other Balkan nations, especially Bulgarians. That's why it's impossible to talk about common ancestor. The ancestors of the Bulgarians are Tatars from Asia. The modern Macedonians don't have such genes. Unless Tatars have mastered teleportation and gene modification, it's impossible to relate them with the Macedonians.
The HLA typisation of the DNA is showing undoubted relation between the modern and the antique Macedonians. So, when we are talking about origin, in genetic sense, it's absolutely clear. The antique Macedonians weren't victims of nuclear explosion, or alien abduction, as far as I know. The people continued to live on the same territory, even after the fall of the Macedonian Empire. Since, the modern Greeks carry sub-Saharan genes, the Bulgarians carry Asian genes, and the modern Macedonians carry the same genes as the antique Macedonians, can you do the math??? But, after reading your previous posts, I wouldn't be surprised if you relate us with the Incas or Zulu.
As I said before, and it's based on scientific facts, not somebody's understanding of the history, the genetic code of the Macedonians is unique, unlike the other Balkan nations, especially Bulgarians. That's why it's impossible to talk about common ancestor. The ancestors of the Bulgarians are Tatars from Asia. The modern Macedonians don't have such genes. Unless Tatars have mastered teleportation and gene modification, it's impossible to relate them with the Macedonians.
The HLA typisation of the DNA is showing undoubted relation between the modern and the antique Macedonians. So, when we are talking about origin, in genetic sense, it's absolutely clear. The antique Macedonians weren't victims of nuclear explosion, or alien abduction, as far as I know. The people continued to live on the same territory, even after the fall of the Macedonian Empire. Since, the modern Greeks carry sub-Saharan genes, the Bulgarians carry Asian genes, and the modern Macedonians carry the same genes as the antique Macedonians, can you do the math??? But, after reading your previous posts, I wouldn't be surprised if you relate us with the Incas or Zulu.
I purposely used your own words against you. "Get a life" can be pretty childish to use ... just giving you a taste of your own medicine.
I'm laughing my pants off here... Poor Huayana.
Gwil
Warlord
As you can see Yugoslavia was one dysfunctional "family."
That's not necessarily true. Go look at how many people happily described themselves "Yugoslav" (and still do) even when the country was thrown into civil war. I'm not denying there was animosity in the 80s and even in Tito's times, but the Yugoslav "identity" is/was stronger than you may think.
As it happens, regarding the requested civilizations, I noted you omitted BiH. I understand it's a 3 way split between Serbs/Croats/Bosnjaks, but surely one of these leaders/nations has to represent the Muslims who were resident in Yugoslavia? It might be a troubling point for some camps, but they lived there, and to ignore them would be to deny the history of Ottoman rule.
But JEELEN, you seem unfamiliar with Shqype's life work.
Take a look at any thread remotely connected to the Balkans. He just can't help turning it into a boring unproductive political dispute (spiced-up with a healty dose of pity for the Albanians).
Honest. Just look.
Take a look at any thread remotely connected to the Balkans. He just can't help turning it into a boring unproductive political dispute (spiced-up with a healty dose of pity for the Albanians).
Honest. Just look.
Shqype
Shqyptar
But JEELEN, you seem unfamiliar with Shqype's life work.
Take a look at any thread remotely connected to the Balkans. He just can't help turning it into a boring unproductive political dispute (spiced-up with a healty dose of pity for the Albanians).
Honest. Just look.
It is what it is. I understand that you've been indoctrinated your whole life by the Macedonian government, beginning from when it was unified with the Serbs, but there still may be hope for you yet.
Huayna Capac357
Deity
Why can't you Kosovars and Serbs just get along? If the Serbs say they're Christians, doesn't that mean you should just love each other, be humble, and make peace? I, an American, would not care if a part of the US seceded. In fact, it would kinda be cool or interesting. The only reason why I disapprove of, say, the CSA is because they had slavery, which is against Christianity (Though Paul said it wasn't, but who listens to Paul anyway).
Actually, quite a lot of people do - for instance, those of protestant denomination.
Shqype
Shqyptar
The Holy Serbian Orthodox Church is far from Christianity. As a Christian, I am gravely offended by it: priests blessing Serbian paramilitaries and telling them "go cleanse." The Patriarch of the Serbian Church in Kosove issued a statement that Serbs must fight for Kosova, and buy weapons from Russia in order to do so. As Edith Durham, a British nurse and Balkan traveler during the early 1900s wrote in her book "Twenty Years of Balkan Tangle", "As for the Balkan Slav and his vaunted Christianity, it seems to me all civilization should rise up and restrain him from further brutality."
SusFerox
Chieftain
Back on-topic:
As leaders, apart from King Tomislav, one could consider Josip Broz Tito (yes, I am aware that we share the guy with other former Yugoslavs), King Petar Kreimir IV (Kresimir the Fourth), Kraljica (Queen) Jelena and President Franjo Tuđman (Tudjman). Not that I am especially fond of the last mentioned guy, but one can not overlook that he played a significant part in recent Croatian history...
UU: please, please, pretty please with cherry on top - DO NOT make Ustae (Ustashas) unique unit. They were close allies to the Third Reich during World War II, committed attrocities, passed and enforced racial laws - even in its Constitution, the Republic of Croatia is avoiding to be connected with Ustahsas...
As UU, I propose Domagojeve strijelce (Duke Domagoj's Archers), Neretljanske gusare (Pirates/Buccaneers from Neretva) - instead of gallley(?), Trenkove pandure (Baron Trenk's Pandurs) - instead of Musketeers(?) and Gardijske brigade instead of Mechanized Infantry.
As UB, instead of Sabor (The Parliament in Croatia) (which should be a national wonder - not to put one Sabor per town/city), I propose ... that someone else figures it out.
SF
