Fox-03 -- Trying to be Special

Kikinit · Apr 29, 2006

blid, I actually already used the GS for Philo on my final turn. I didn't then check what that would do for bribing Alex to go to war but namliaM should see what Alex wants.

I like the idea of getting him to go for Loius instead of Qin but again, I'll let him take a look at the save and make a choice on whether Qin is a big threat or not.

I was going to suggest us going for Qin as soon as possible but he took the initiative for me.

Rushing walls sounds like a sound plan in Frankfurt. I should have done that previously :blush:

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blid · Apr 29, 2006

Kikinit said:
blid, I actually already used the GS for Philo on my final turn. I didn't then check what that would do for bribing Alex to go to war but namliaM should see what Alex wants.

Seems like Alex already knows Philo. Too bad. namliaM, up to you to decide. War progression with Qin should tell. Just keep funding the treasury meanwhile and see what it would be best used for.

I see JC has a city south of Qin :crazyeye:

Did he cross at the poles or what ?

Kikinit · Apr 29, 2006

blid, you are right. I opened up the save and Alex won't go to war with Louis for guilds but he will got to war with Qin for it. I wonder how much gold we would need to get him to go for it. If we wait too long then we might loose Guilds as our bargaining chip.

blid · Apr 29, 2006

Back in 1270 AD, he was willing to go to war for guilds and 130g.
That is 2 turns of saving. Worth a try

Bede · Apr 29, 2006

What a furball!

If Aliex is willing to close his borders to the belligerents that is almost as good as a war declaration, and in some ways almost better as they can't use his ground to approach us, and will narrow the front a little.

Appears that Frankfurt is everyone's favorite town and that is a good thing.

I think we may want to switch our research path to towards Guns and Chemistry. Cho no ku are hard on maces but will fall to grenadiers. And let's not neglect the navy now that we have Optics. That means setting a course for Astronomy. Lots of choices, here, but I think the overall path is clear: :hammer:

Rex Tyrannus · Apr 29, 2006

Wow! I went to bed last night and, two pages later, the whole world turned upside down on us.

Quoted by me on the 25th:

I first check the diplomacy screen...Louis is +4. Alex is +3 and Qin is +1.

So our two best hopes in the popularity contest are Alex and Louis. Those are two guys I never try to triangle with as they're both as fickle as the weather in Boston. However, they're +8 and +9 toward each other.

Looks like I should have trusted my instincts. Has anyone else noticed that Louis and Alex are both willing to be bribed into war with people they're very friendly with? This is about the third or fourth time Louis has turned on me unexpectedly.

I think that puffy little pansy's gonna have to go on my permanent "must kill" list right next to the Kahn family.

Edit: Also quoted by me on the 25th:

I've started moving a few newly-hatched troops east just in case.

Can I suppose those troops found themselves drawn to Rome for mysterious reasons? Never trust three back-stabbers all on one front.

namliaM · Apr 29, 2006

GreyFox said:
Wait for whose conlusion? You are UP!

I have a letter to Qin that you must deliver for me, postman:

Note the posting times, I probably hadnt seen the concluding post yet...

Delivering Letter....

namliaM · Apr 29, 2006

Kikinit said:
As an aside which was important at the time but other pressing things seemed to take precedence, I set Karakorum (GP city) to max food to get it to grow out as fast as possible to support as many specialists as possilbe. I also converted the hills to windmills to make them food neutral.

Eh? I would say we want mines and lots of them, we have food enough there... Wondercity GP farm? or is it all about specialists? Cause if its specialists only, then we dont want the hills at all...

Kikinit · Apr 29, 2006

namliaM said:
Eh? I would say we want mines and lots of them, we have food enough there... Wondercity GP farm? or is it all about specialists? Cause if its specialists only, then we dont want the hills at all...

I thought that for GP farm you want to make it as food positive as possible? Those hills still produce hammers with a windmill on them. I guess I need to go back and look at our GP farm from Fox01 and try and recall how we did it there.

GreyFox · Apr 29, 2006

Kikinit: in fox-01, ruff_hi pointed out, which I agree, that a GP-Farm only works on tile with extra food. So makinga tile food neutral is as good as not having any food. I think we could mine some of the hills, so that the GP-Farm can be switched to yield extra hammers as and when necessary.

Bede: Yes, it does appear that military path is the way to go. I am still puzzled by the the map, seems more like playing on a pangea than continents.

Rex: okay, you are officially crowned as the oracle. Care to tell me singapore's lottery number tomorrow?

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namliaM · Apr 29, 2006

I have played 9 turns so far... And got a Great..... Merchant ... :cry:

I have no clue what so ever what to do with this guy....

GreyFox · Apr 29, 2006

namliaM said:
I have no clue what so ever what to do with this guy....

Plenty: join him to GP-Farm, put him to sleep, learn us a tech, ....

but whatever you do, do not, repeat: DO NOT attempt a Great Trade or Golden Age.

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namliaM · Apr 30, 2006

A new Governer steps up to the plate, as the previous one got 3 strikes from Qin.

So its up to the new man to save Frankfurt from the hard winding, slide ball throwing Qin.
This is the situation at the plate...

So I have a look around the place as I am warming up. I spot a candy seller guy in the stand and for good measure pick up some loose change for some corn on the calb (spelling?)

To make the reseller a little more happy I gift him some Sheep so he can enjoy the warm wool. This is to be renegotiated ASAP. No such thing as a freebee offcourse except at your local BP petrol station.

On the Innerturn, the stack outside of Frankfurt strikes without much success...

Pikeman defeats (2.94/6): Chinese Knight 1-0
Maceman defeats (2.56/8): Chinese Knight 2-0
Maceman defeats (6.72/8): Chinese War Elephant 3-0
Maceman defeats (6.80/8): Chinese Maceman 4-0
After which it is my turn

Pikeman loses to: Chinese War Elephant (2.48/8) :mad:

62+% 4-1
Pikeman defeats (6.00/6): Chinese War Elephant 5-1
Longbowman defeats (3.84/6): French Warrior 1-0
Maceman defeats (6.72/8): Chinese War Elephant 6-1
Knight defeats (8.60/10): Chinese Catapult 7-1
Knight defeats (6.10/10): Chinese Catapult 8-1

The next 2 swings (turns) end up faul balls, as nothing much happenes. But for a little bombarding.
Then this:
Axeman loses to: Chinese Knight (3.20/10) 8-2
Which is a sign for me to enlist some help, but whats this?

No more help available?? Aarch... You gotta be kidding...

Same year we spot the first French Contingents..... Ouch...

They seem to be heading NW, not towards Frankfurt as expected??? Ok I will start sending some troops toward Karakorum and such. Also start walls in our northern towns (Karakorum and up).
And just for good measure ... Knight defeats (0.50/10): Chinese Knight 9-2 another Chinese knight bites the dust...

On the northern front we start making some progress, the defencive bonus is finaly gone and I sacrifice some Cats
Catapult loses to: Chinese Longbowman (6.00/6) 9-3
Catapult loses to: Chinese Longbowman (4.56/6) 9-4
While I am sacrificing the Cats, I hear a horn. WTH what now? A our friend comes to help. Alex DoWs on Qin without request?! Good...
The battle for Shandong begins OK, but...
Knight defeats (3.70/10): Chinese Pikeman 10-4
Knight defeats (8.00/10): Chinese Longbowman 11-4
Crossbowman loses to: Chinese Knight (1.80/10) 11-5 (at good odds)
Maceman defeats (4.40/8): Chinese Knight 12-5

Captured Shandong (Qin Shi Huang)
The timing of the attack on Shangdong was so that the French were to far away from the town to take it (atleast the two stack that were moving NW) But whats this? Strike 1? Another French stack heading NW. And sure enough the knight turns around and razes Shangdong...
Maceman loses to: French Knight (8.20/10) 1-1
Shandong lost

Offcourse the knight is dealt with.... swiftly, however we lose a Mace vs a HA...
Knight defeats (3.60/10): French Knight 2-1
Maceman loses to: French Horse Archer (1.86/6) :mad:

2-2
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): French Horse Archer 3-2

On the previous spot of Shangdong there is a small contingent of Alex' heading south... I dont think we have much to worry about anymore regarding Qin...

But the French stack have me concerned a little...

namliaM · Apr 30, 2006

I forget to make screenies after this, cause it gets kind of crazy....

Having said that, offcourse is asking for the RNG to go freaky on you... As I am still bombing the defenses of Guangzhou (or something like that)
Pikeman loses to: Chinese Knight (0.80/10) 12-6
Pikeman loses to: Chinese Knight (5.60/10) 12-7
I missed a french Cross and Cat and so due to a :smoke:

moment on my part...Worker loses to: French Catapult (5.00/5) 3-3 we are down a worker... Aaargh....

Next we get a visit from some not so nice things...
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Chinese Catapult 13-7
Maceman defeats (6.96/8): Chinese Catapult 14-7
Maceman defeats (2.64/8): Chinese Cho-Ko-Nu 15-7
Maceman defeats (0.48/8): French Knight 4-3
And we lose one of our Religious people... another :smoke:

from me...
Confucian Missionary loses to: French Crossbowman (6.00/6)4-4

This goes on at Karakorum:
Knight defeats (3.20/10): French Maceman 5-4
Knight defeats (8.40/10): French Maceman 6-4
Knight defeats (10.00/10): French Spearman 7-4
Folowed by stomething you allready know... I am still lost at what to do whith him i would probably join him to some city....
Harkuf (Merchant) (Great Merchant) born in Frankfurt
Then another :smoke:

I put a cat on a "long" trip north and it finishes near a french Cross, which offcourse takes it out....
Catapult loses to: French Crossbowman (2.16/6) 7-5
Note to selve, when at war... Dont use long "goto's"

More happenings at Karakorum (which has some extra walls for defence)
Knight defeats (3.60/10): French Crossbowman 8-5
Pikeman defeats (5.22/6): French Horse Archer 9-5
Swordsman defeats (2.16/6): French Catapult 10-5
Knight defeats (4.50/10): French Catapult 11-5
But our forces at Karakorum are starting to get tired....

And I start the 'real' offensive on the southern chinese town... IIRC 1 cat actually stays alive but the other 2 perish in their suicide ...
Catapult loses to: Chinese Longbowman (3.66/6)15-8
Catapult loses to: Chinese Knight (5.60/10) 15-9
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Chinese Longbowman 16-9
Maceman defeats (6.16/8): Chinese Knight 17-9
Maceman defeats (5.04/8): Chinese Pikeman 18-9
Captured Guangzhou (Qin Shi Huang)
More RNG happiness. The chinese knight wipes out our cross bow at Guang without a scratch on him....
Crossbowman loses to: Chinese Knight (10.00/10) :mad:

18-10
Maceman loses to: French Knight (3.20/10) 18-11
The mace vs Knight thing makes a little more sence...

Crossbowman loses to: Chinese Knight (10.00/10) :mad:

18-12
Maceman loses to: French Knight (3.20/10) 11-6

Crossbowman defeats (6.00/6): French Crossbowman 12-6
Catapult loses to: French Maceman (8.00/8) Suicided against the stack 12-7
Pikeman loses to: French Knight (3.40/10) :cry:

RNG really dont like me... :aargh:

12-8
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): French Knight Mope up from the previous ... 13-8
Knight loses to: Chinese Knight (5.40/10) 18-12 :wallbash:

The autolog for anyone who cares...

Spoiler autolog :

namliaM · Apr 30, 2006

To finish some picks of our current situation:

In the green circel our strike force for Kaifeng (not much) and I am not willing to chance it with my luck. I took a Knight from that stack to attack the Chinese knight in the red circel but as you know by now... It failed....
In blue box a Knight and Cat heading for Karakorum most likely....

The situation at Tarfun, Due SE the Mace that Mopped up the knight in my previous post. NW another :smoke:

on my part.... N a French Cross..

The cooperative situation at Gaungzhou ???

Note we are now the #1 in score and we are underway to Gunpowder which I thought would be much more benificial than banking. We dont even have markets up where we need them, what do we do with banks?

And the somewhat concerning situation at Karakorum

And finaly the save

Up to Bede to save the day... (of Karakorum)

Rex Tyrannus · Apr 30, 2006

Longbowman defeats (3.84/6): French Warrior 1-0

Louis brought a warrior to a 14th century war??? I thought the AI upgraded for either free or way cheap. What's this dude still hanging around for?

Also, it's tough to gauge the magnitude of the situation. I'll look into the save and see if I can offer any strategy. All in all, NamliaM, it looks like you had some damn hectic turns there. You only lost the one city that you had captured the previous turn, right? So we're not any worse off than we were before your turns. The first 10 are always the toughest. If we can out-produce from here on out, we should be fine, especially with the tech advantage.

Also, remember the rock-paper-scissors aspect of this game. Build pikemen for knights, crossbows for maces, and knights for killing cho-ko-nu before they get anywhere near your cities. Fear the chucks!

Good turns. Bede shall smite them, methinks.

Kikinit · Apr 30, 2006

Looks like I abandoned ship at the right time :eek:

That's some hairy action there namliaM. Good job on holding things together even with the RNGod trying to spite you. And good call on giving banking a miss for a while. That tech was chosen before we had these two declare on us.

Is there any way we can get Alex to close his borders with the french? That was what I feared when I read you say they were heading NW. Bloody Alex is letting us get raped up the rear.

EDIT: Have we got Nationalism or are we anywhere near being able to get it? It would be handy right now to be able to draft. I can't load the save from where I am to recall where we are tech wise.

Bede · Apr 30, 2006

Nationalism is probably a good way off yet and won't do us as much good as grenadiers which cost less than draftees and are more effective at this stage. Drafting for rifles is a good ploy as the pop cost is much less than the hammer cost but has greater happy cost.

Oh what to do, what to do? How about pick up the save and find the jawbone of my ass?

And see if Alex will close his borders to the lace wearing pansy.
Philistines.

Bede · Apr 30, 2006

Turn 200 (1400 AD)

Munich(PROD) finishes: Knight
Frankfurt(FIN) finishes: Courthouse
Beshbalik(SCI) grows: 8

Bump the treasury a little and try to further cement relations with Alex.

And Louie will talk and give money so take it as I don't need the distraction since ALex will not close his borders to the fruited pansy

IBT:
Qin makes another try for Guanghzou
While defending, Maceman loses to: Chinese Knight (4.90/10)
While defending, Knight loses to: Chinese Knight (4.10/10)

Turn 201 (1410 AD)
The battle for Kaifeng
While attacking, Maceman defeats (2.56/8): Chinese Longbowman
While attacking, Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Chinese Pikeman

Razed Kaifeng

Munich(PROD) begins: Pikeman
Karakorum(GP) begins: Settler as I want to fill in to the west of Delphi. There is lots of food and cottage potential out that way.

And Rome looks like another GP farm with all that food out there.

Hamburg(SCI) finishes: Knight
Munich(PROD) finishes: Pikeman
Cologne grows: 10
Frankfurt(FIN) grows: 10

IBT:
And Qin takes another shot at Guanghzou
While defending, Maceman defeats (5.84/8): Chinese Catapult
While defending, Maceman loses to: Chinese Maceman (5.12/8)

Turn 202 (1420 AD)
Karakorum(GP) begins: Confucian Temple as we could use the prophet points
Tech learned: Gunpowder
Berlin(SCI) finishes: Catapult
Hamburg(SCI) grows: 12
Hamburg(SCI) finishes: Catapult

IBT:
And once again at Guangzhou
While defending, Maceman defeats (1.52/8): Chinese Catapult
While defending, Pikeman defeats (4.80/6): Chinese Catapult
While defending, Pikeman loses to: Chinese Maceman (5.12/8)

Meanwhile Shanghai falls to Alex but he is not able to hold it

Turn 203 (1430 AD)
Hamburg(SCI) begins: Pikeman
Antium begins: Granary
Research begun: Chemistry
Berlin(SCI) begins: Crossbowman
Confucianism has spread: Sparta (Greek Empire)

Need cash, so

Then take Optics, 470g and War with Qin from Louis for Gunpowder.

Call on Julie

And after that deal with JC have more than enough in the kitty to finance Grenadiers

Remove the annoying Chinese knight from the Hamburg rice paddy
While attacking, Knight defeats (6.40/10): Chinese Knight

The deal with Louis has already done us some good as he wiped the troublesome Chinese from the neighborhood of Guangzhou

Munich(PROD) finishes: Knight
Cologne finishes: Knight

IBT:
Shanghai goes back to China so we will start to march on Shanghai as soon as the troops are healthy again.

Turn 204 (1440 AD)
Munich(PROD) begins: Caravel to see what we can see to the west
Cologne(HYB) begins: Pikeman
Munich(PROD) finishes: Caravel
Frankfurt(FIN) grows: 11
Frankfurt(FIN) finishes: Pikeman
Rome grows: 5
Rome finishes: Lighthouse
Rome is taking serious cultural pressure from Julie's remaining towns up there

IBT:

Turn 205 (1450 AD)
Frankfurt(FIN) begins: Harbor. More commerce
Caravel promoted: Combat I as it sails to the west
Munich(PROD) begins: Harbor as it needs some health and the trade routes won't hurt either
Guangzhou begins: Lighthouse as it needs food
Berlin(SCI) finishes: Crossbowman
Hamburg(SCI) finishes: Pikeman
Beshbalik(SCI) grows: 9
Karakorum(GP) finishes: Settler and he founds Holcomb on the hill east of the Greek border. There is a worker horde doing jungle clearing
Guangzhou finishes: Lighthouse with the help of the whip.

IBT:

Turn 206 (1460 AD)

Berlin(SCI) begins: Harbor. More commerce and more healthy people sitting on the dock of the bay
Guangzhou begins: Granary
Hamburg(SCI) begins: Crossbowman
Hamburg(SCI) begins: Pikeman
Hamburg(SCI) begins: Pikeman

IBT:
Here is the target

Turn 207 (1470 AD)
And in the suburbs of Shangahi attacking Knight defeats (10.00/10): Chinese Catapult

Cologne(HYB) begins: Worker as the town needs some more development
Essen(SCI) begins: Harbor
Frankfurt(FIN) grows: 12
Karakorum(GP) finishes: Forge

IBT:

Turn 208 (1480 AD)

Elephants are hard on Knights as one loses to: Chinese War Elephant (0.88/8) in the suburbs of Shanghai
Hamburg(SCI) begins: Grocer for health and commerce

However those reinforcements won't make it into the city

While attacking, Knight defeats (5.80/10): Chinese Catapult
While attacking, Knight defeats (10.00/10): Chinese War Elephant

Munich(PROD) finishes: Harbor
Heron (Great Engineer) born in Cologne(HYB) and ship him off to Karakorum for the FP or Hagia Sophia or even send him on to Rome for one of those if you are so inclined
Karakorum(GP) grows: 14
Turfan(FIN) finishes: Forge
Rome grows: 6

IBT:
While defending, Knight loses to: Chinese Catapult (0.65/5)

Turn 209 (1490 AD)
Qin wants peace but rejects our terms.

Knight promoted: Formation
Munich(PROD) begins: Pikeman
Munich(PROD) begins: Maceman
Turfan(FIN) begins: Market
Tech learned: Chemistry
Munich(PROD) finishes: Maceman
Cologne(HYB) finishes: Worker

IBT:
And at the gates of Shanghai while defending, Knight defeats (6.20/10): Chinese Knight

Turn 210 (1500 AD)
Whacking the stack at Shanghai. ChoNoKu do bad things to maces but there are newly upgraded grenadiers coming to the rescue from Guangzhou
While attacking, Catapult loses to: Chinese Longbowman (3.84/6)
While attacking, Catapult loses to: Chinese Longbowman (3.06/6)
Research begun: Banking but set at zero until we can upgrade some maces.

Amd here we stand at the gates of Shanghai. Nobody else has enough force to take the city but we need to kill a couple of ChoNoKu before we can be sure of getting it. So wait for the grenadiers from Guangzhou to arrive (newly upgraded and not yet moved into place). There are more cats, knights and maces on the way in to reinforce the stack at Shanghai.

Munich(PROD) begins: Maceman keep producing them. They get CR promotions and will be unstoppable when upgraded to grenadiers and are cheaper to produce.
Cologne(HYB) begins: Maceman

namliaM · Apr 30, 2006

Nice nice nice.... And so quick too, guess thats the advantage of East-west rotation...

I would have never thought to check if
1) France or Qin would want peace
2) France declare war on Qin? Geez...

What mod(s) do you have Bede? That turn thing, that Kaifeng looks awfull nice... and the While attacking and While defending... Is this the HOF mod?

Wow, running research at 80% and -153gpt Ouch... Good thing for war money and AI Sponsors....

That peace offer you made isnt much else than a question of please say no...

CR? ? ? City Raider ... Right?

Guess I did most of the fighting :crazyeye:

Seems quiet enough....

Not-so-New Roster
-- GreyFox == Up to deliver your own letter
-- Rex == On Deck
-- blid
-- kikinit
-- namliaM
-- Bede == Turned the tables on Louis

Fox-03 -- Trying to be Special

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280lbs of gross stupidity

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Make it so ...

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280lbs of gross stupidity

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