Francisco Franco

jamiethearcher

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I am currently reading Franco: a Concise Biography by Gabrielle Ashford Hodges (who is described as "an author and historian", but no credentials are listed)

This book is highly critical of Franco and his leadership of Spain. Do we have any Franco experts on the forums? What are you opinions on him?

What about Spaniards? What are the feelings towards Franco in modern day Spain?
 
Franco was a catastrophe, that is common knowledge.
 
jamiethearcher said:
What are you opinions on him?
He was a ruthless dictator who committed genocide against his own countrymen, and invited the Nazis to come to Spain and practice blitzkrieg on the Spanish people. He deserves to be spat upon and nothing more. Having said that, his Leftist opposition was at least as wacky as he was. They were divided and spent almost as much time fighting each other as they did fighting Franco. Franco wasnt strong, his opposition was just stupider and weaker than he was.
 
Probably belongs in History. I'm no Franco expert, and that sounds like an interesting read, but I will say that it's generally accepted that Franco destroyed the country for the several decades he was in power.
 
I would rather read 2 polarizing book on Franco.One that is apologetic of his regime and the other as a criticism of the regime.I find having two different view more rewarding than just one narrow stale truism.
 
The Yankee said:
Probably belongs in History. I'm no Franco expert, and that sounds like an interesting read, but I will say that it's generally accepted that Franco destroyed the country for the several decades he was in power.


I have no problem with this being moved to history, I probably should have put it there to start.
 
Breaking News... Generalissimo Francesco Franco is still dead.
 
My in-laws lived in Spain for five years during the latter part of Franco's rule. They loved it. They never feared going out any time of the day or night and his repressiveness did not show up other than as machinegun toting police on street corners.
 
sysyphus said:
Breaking News... Generalissimo Francesco Franco is still dead.

I know I have heard that before, what is it from?
 
jamiethearcher said:
I know I have heard that before, what is it from?

Chevy Chase on the Saturday Night Live news. That one still makes me piddle myself.
 
Birdjaguar said:
My in-laws lived in Spain for five years during the latter part of Franco's rule. They loved it. They never feared going out any time of the day or night and his repressiveness did not show up other than as machinegun toting police on street corners.
That is the case in most repressive regimes. The repression happens underground. The exception beign of course ultra-repressive lunatic regimes like Stalin's or Pol-Pot's.
 
luiz said:
That is the case in most repressive regimes. The repression happens underground. The exception beign of course ultra-repressive lunatic regimes like Stalin's or Pol-Pot's.
It was excellent for building up Spain as a tourist destination in the 70s and 80s.
 
Birdjaguar said:
It was excellent for building up Spain as a tourist destination in the 70s and 80s.
I doubt that. Spain is a natural touristical destination, with lots of history, culture and a sunny and warm weather that is rare in Europe.
 
@Birdjaguar

Yeah, and Mussolini made the trains run on time, too....

Anyway, Luiz's point is a good one: even in a totalitarian dictatorship, most of the repression takes place almost imperceptibly. There were kids playing in the park in Saddam's Iraq, too. I think life in Franco's Spain would have been not at all unpleasant if you were a foreigner with no stake in the country's future, some money and the ability to get out of there whenever you felt like like it. For a Spaniard with an opinion, however...

Besides, Franco died in 1975 and his rule was pretty much doomed after ETA's assasination of Carrero Blanco in 1973. I have the impression that Spain's emergence into modernity has much more to do with socialist Felipe González's policies.
 
Birdjaguar said:
It was excellent for building up Spain as a tourist destination in the 70s and 80s.
A lot of people boycotted the southern European dictatorships.
And I'd bet that the Spanish tourist industry got a real upswing after his death.

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jameson said:
@Birdjaguar

Besides, Franco died in 1975 and his rule was pretty much doomed after ETA's assasination of Carrero Blanco in 1973. I have the impression that Spain's emergence into modernity has much more to do with socialist Felipe González's policies.

It was Franco's repression of the Basques (and Catalans) that led to the formation ETA. And as for Spain's emergence post-Franco, some of that credit must also go to King Juan Carlos, who basically halted an attempted coup by standing by his government.
 
Opinions about Franco in Spain are pretty divided. Interestingly, many towns in Spain still have streets and monuments bearing Franco's name, even though that is getting less and less. Franco's burial place (Valle de los Caidos, Valley of the fallen), a massive, pompous temple, built into a mountainside near Madrid with a giant cross on top of it, is still there and visited by tourists and Franco supporters alike (the place was built with Republican slave labor). Most moderate Spaniards accept that Franco had some "good" points as well: the way that he stayed clear of any major involvement in WW2 is often cited, initially pro-Hitler (more out of opportunism than ideology), when it was clear Germany was losing, he pulled back the Spanish "Blue Division" and steered a more pro-Allied course. He undoubtedly initiated a period of repression in Spain, esp. of the Basques and Catalans, and anybody with any leftist views, although things started somewhat to relax in the sixties, Franco was getting more and more senile by then. I think most people also realize that if a leftist (possibly a communist govt) would have emerged after the civil war a similar period of repression would have begun, only with different victims. After all, during the civil war, both sides, not just Franco's, committed the most terrible atrocities.

A good, introductory book about Spain is "The Story of Spain" by Mark Williams. Highly recommended.
 
Danghis Khan said:
It was Franco's repression of the Basques (and Catalans) that led to the formation ETA.

Repression in Basque Country was lighter than in the rest of Spain before ETA started with terrorism. Basque nationalism was an über-Catholic ideology, and therefore Basque opossition was protected by Catholic Church. Franco always was respectful for the Catholic Church and wouldn't mess around much. A terrorist organization needs a strong justification for their crimes, and often they put it on worse crimes on their enemies. In this case (as in most) those are more imaginary than real.

Birdjaguar said:
It was excellent for building up Spain as a tourist destination in the 70s and 80s

For decades the main tourist destinations in Europe have been Spain and Italy, I think it's the sunny summer that makes it. I doubt Franco had any power over elements.

mrtn said:
A lot of people boycotted the southern European dictatorships.

Never heard or noticed that. A lot of people came for the summer with or without Franco anyhow.

jameson said:
I have the impression that Spain's emergence into modernity has much more to do with socialist Felipe González's policies.

Danghis Khan said:
And as for Spain's emergence post-Franco, some of that credit must also go to King Juan Carlos, who basically halted an attempted coup by standing by his government.

More than any of those, the fact that Spain joined the European Union (Community still at that time) in 1986. Wich problably would have happened more or less the same way with other political actors.

pkmink said:
Opinions about Franco in Spain are pretty divided.

That's the truth. Still I'd say that it's more common people with a bad opinion on his rule.

The Yankee said:
Franco destroyed the country for the several decades he was in power.

That's my opinion. There was an economic recovery from 1959, but for the rest Franco's dictatorship only made harm to Spain. Most of all, writers, scientists, artists, etc, left the country and Spain became a dark hole of mediocrity. Just think that after the Civil War University theachers fleed the country en masse nad their positions were granted to war veterans for patriotic merits. Guess on that what kind of education have had a few generations of Spaniards (including the generation that has been in power these 25 years after Franco's death).
 
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