French civ ruler in Civ4 : Louis XIV please !

[ogmoir]

What is important is that I said it first.

 

[Hyena]

Hehehehe, I guess that sorts out this arguement then eh? Anyways guys, we can all sit here and debate about who we think should be the leaders and who shouldn't and never get anywhere. The Civ designers have their own opinions on this matter, just as each of us does. History is not an exact science. It is constantly being reinterpreted and redefined. The significance of one ruler or event necessarily changes with the current world events, trends, and the particular historian's own ideas. This is exactly why historical revisionism has become so popular in recent decades. Sometimes what people are taught is complete falsehood, depending on how the information serves the teacher's purposes. For example, we have the very controversial question of whether or not Tibet should be part of China, and if it has traditionally been part of China. Sometimes there are no right answers. History is fluid, and historical significance is just a matter of opinion supported by prticular facts, and ignoring other facts. In short, Firaxis chose who they liked, and our own opinions will necessarily differ because we come from different places and have different backgrounds in hitorical study.

As George Orwell wrote: He who controls the past, controls the present. He who controls the present, controls the future.

 

[Francophile]

As long as the color for France is not that gaudy pink! France is tied with Rome as my most played nation, and quite honestly, I have grown to despise the pink.

 

[Corvex]

I agree with Francophile; I never play as the Arabs, French or Inca, even though they are otherwise quite appealing, because I hate that bright pink.

 

[Hyena]

Ewww, pink is gross. France deserves a nice royal blue just as much as Rome deserves deep red. Change the colour Firaxis, please.

 

[kryszcztov]

BUMP.

Forgot to thank Firaxis for their decision. Please don't change this, we need Louis as a ruler, and Napoleon if France have 2 rulers. All we now need is that blue colour... Still waiting for info about the UU, and to see the leaders' traits in action, though it seems OK.

Sometimes marketing isn't the obvious (Joan of Arc).

 

[Akka]

Yeah. Royal blue got called like that because of the french kings, and blue is the color that represent France in practically every game in existence but Civ 3. I suppose that the pink was a kind of a joke from someone in Firaxis. Now the joke has been made, okay, stop it and let the blue back

 

[I am the Future]

if you dont like the freaking blue then change it in the editor.
That is why firaxis gave it to us to make the game how we want it.

 

[Akka]

if you dont like the freaking blue then change it in the editor.
That is why firaxis gave it to us to make the game how we want it.

Actually, we DO like the blue. It's the pink we don't like.

And of course I can change it in the editor. You don't think I actually played PINK Frenchs ?
But that's not the point. I want the DEFAULT colour for France to be blue.

 

[troytheface]

its funny- i did not really think about the absurdity of Joan as the French leader until this post- i think i kinda like her tho as the french leader.
Maybe they need to lighten up a bit on certain things and everyone else would lighten up as well- if there are enough historical free for all kind of things it would be pointless to start moaning about any one.

 

[malborough]

philippe auguste is a great leader for the french.
under is rule the french army "l'host" is became the first in europe he grow the french territory, by winning the british, the famous lionheart and jean sans terre and he win the battle of bouvines which is one of the most important victory of this time (against a vast coalition ).
paris become the biggest city in europe and the first cultural place .
paris was called " the new rome"
the sorbonne was the most important university in europe with the best intellectual who came of all europe to teach in that place.
in is time the french has also created the gothic style who was called "opus francorum".
it was a golden age for france.

 

[malborough]

Louis XIV era was a grand era for France, but it was in this thimes she lost ongoing war for colonial dominance in America and Asia.

Louis XIV era was a grand era for France, but it was in this thimes she lost ongoing war for colonial dominance in America and Asia.
War of Spanish Succession was a turning point in world history, and England came out victorious. Beacause of that event, I dare to say, we are speaking English on this forum and not French.
The Sun King made some really fatal mistakes with domestic policy as well. He left "ancien regime" untouched, thus blocking the way for sooner industrial revolution in France and development of capitalism.

So, I propose Philippe IV Le Bon for a candidate for a French leader. He started the project of unifying France, maybe france would be unified no sooner than Germany, if he hadn't appeared on the Throne.
He lost the Battle of Golden Spurs, but eventually he won the war. He moved popes to Avignon. He destroyed Knights Templars. He started with centralization (of earlier kind).
His major mistake was, thet he expelled jews, instead of starting to cooperate with them. He could have make Paris financial and banking centre of Europe. But at his time, Paris was as big and important as in 16.th century.
So?

Louis XIV era was a grand era for France, but it was in this thimes she lost ongoing war for colonial dominance in America and Asia.



it wasn't in louis XIV era , the france lost his colonial dominance it' under the louis XV era, after the seven years war. the france lost the canada the louisiane and the india.
under louis XIV contrary the colonial empire grow, with the louisiane, haiti ,
begenning of the implantation in africa madagascar and india.
it was the apogee of the first french colonial empire. see a card the major part of north america was french.
it'snot "philippe le bon" but "philippe lebel "
"le bon" means good and "lebel" means nice

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[Akka]

it'snot "philippe le bon" but "philippe lebel "
"le bon" means good and "lebel" means nice

Actually, "le bel" means "the fair" rather than "the nice" ^^
(and this guy couldn't be described as "nice" whatever the situation )

 

[Robi D]

They say that there will be 28 world leaders. Maybe France will have more than just one? Not sure.
But having variety is good. Maybe Joan along with Louis or Napoleon?

I think france is one of the civs with two leaders. Joan was an odd choice considering she wasn't a leader. Louis and napoleon would be good choices as they would give a contrast to the game

 

[kryszcztov]

it was a golden age for france.

I don't know whether it was a real good period for France, since I lack knowledge for the Middle Ages. But to experience a "golden age" and still not have finished the national unity is rather odd to me. Whereas Louis XIV's France was completely centralized, united, ordered around the King. France was the most powerful country in Europe back then.

Agree about the good dynamic in colonisation under Louis though.

 

[eaglefox]

i think the leaders are chosen based on their historical importance. Joan arguably saved France from a certain destruction. Napoleon or Louis XIV did not. Its the same with India and Gandhi, or Carthage and Hannibal for that matter.

 

[malborough]

I don't know whether it was a real good period for France, since I lack knowledge for the Middle Ages. But to experience a "golden age" and still not have finished the national unity is rather odd to me. Whereas Louis XIV's France was completely centralized, united, ordered around the King. France was the most powerful country in Europe back then.

Agree about the good dynamic in colonisation under Louis though.

what's a golden age ?
we can considered a golden age include militar dominance, scientific dominance, cultural dominance,economic dominance and may be demographic dominance. in europe and only in europe, france was in this case. militar dominance after bouvines, cultural dominance with the cluny order "cluny was the biggest church ever built, it could be a great wonder" or the cistrecian order and of course the gothic style,
an enormous influence in christianity nowadays some church are still built in gothic style like "Cathedral Church of Saint Peter and Saint Paul, in washington"
scientific dominance with the sorbonne the first university in europe.
so i think, we can say it's a kind of golden age.
see philippe august article in encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_II_of_France

 

[Akka]

Well, actually, this definition of golden age also work for Louis XIV's reign (and even more so, I would say).

 

[Lockesdonkey]

The Sun King was magnificent, powerful, long-lived, and reasonably fair; his rule was characterized by French military dominence in Europe and the height of French art and learning (even though much of that learning was diametrically opposed to the way he ruled). He is the best possible leader for France.

 

[malborough]

louis XIV is a great choice, napoleon too.
but for a bit of originality philippe auguste is a good choice as the two other, he represent a great period.
if not charles martel can be another choice not a famous period but a great victory, without him europe was muslim.
charlemagne for his huge empire.
there is another great period but there is no significant leader, under the third republic. the biggest empire the france never had with a part of africa, madagascar, indochina, syria and libia and a lot of island in all the sea.
a great cultural age (artist came of all the world in paris)
a good science (pasteur, frere lumiere,etc) good economy and victorious in the ww1.